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A nice case of doublethink:

Yesterday’s resolution was approved by MPs [representing 47 countries, who voted unanimously in support of the resolution]. The human rights group acknowledged that the veiling of women was seen as "a symbol of subjugation of women by men”.


However, the council ruled a general ban would impede the rights of women. "There should be no general prohibition on wearing the burkha and the niqab or other religious clothing,” the council said.


http://europenews.dk/en/node/33225



Tags: Europe, ban, burkha, burqa, human_rights, islam, muslim, women's_rights

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Yes. I find it really disconcerting not being able to see somebody's face. I recently bumped supermarket trolleys with a woman wearing the whole niqab thing (you couldn't even see her eyes). I smiled and apologised, but I got no response. It might have been because she didn't speak English, but because we couldn't even make eye contact there was no basis for communication of any kind. Weird.
People who keep their sunglasses on at every moment are annoying too. This guy even claims they're his own burqa. Sheesh.

Dong! I never realised before that's the reason I so dislike people wearing sunglasses at night and indoors. They usually have a superior "I can see you, but you can't see me" air about them. I'm always hoping they'll trip over something in the dark or tread in some dog shit.
When eye contact is a one-way affair, and nothing is at stake, I do my best to never talk to these people face-to-face. Usually I talk to their belly ;-)
Unless they have a pot belly :P If the person has allopecy, it might be a good idea to focus your attention on their (lack of) hair instead.

There are actually two ways to not look at people. 'Intimidated' and 'contemptuous'. Try to practice the latter.
Usually, though, people who are wearing sunglasses, or hats, or scarves, or Halloween masks, take them off when it's appropriate to take them off. That's why the "why don't we just ban [x thing that's not as severe as a burqa and taken off when asked]" is a crock of shit. The reason they haven't been banned is b/c they haven't been a problem. And if someone in a bank or photo ID did refuse to remove them, that would be suspicious behavior.
Agreed, but that's not the point I was trying to make. One of the reasons for the full veil ban in France (and one that's important to me) is that hiding your face severs ties with people you meet in the public place; and that's a form of sectarianism, in the etymological sense. Even if you choose to live a secluded life, when you have to interact with other people, you'd better do it on an equal footing. That's a thing many 'sunglassists' should be aware of as well.
Yeah...my rant was just kind of a rant, not necessarily directed at you.
Proponents of female genital mutilation have also accused opponents of being racist. Same exact thing.

The only appearance-related thing I can think of that's racist would be banning something that only one race can do or requiring something that a race can't do. So the requirement that beards be a certain length in some Islamic countries is racist...not all races can grow beards!

What's really racist is having different standards of justice for people based on race/ethnicity/culture. Like Sharia law.
If she really thinks that, then she shouldn't be too outraged at the suggestion of having it done to her. Otherwise she's a hypocrite, and has the racist attitude that it's OK for some brown people somewhere but not acceptable for European women.
Cultural relativism is essentially dishonest. Trying to pretend that all cultures are equal flies in the face of reality. It might be politically incorrect to say so, but some cultures are better than others.

If there really is such a thing as universal human values, then surely that's the yardstick that you measure a culture by. Some do quite well on measures such as fairness, equality, freedom, justice and so on. Others do moderately well, and some stink. Why pretend otherwise? If you raised kids like that - telling them that everything they do is good and fine because that's the way they are and they've got to be allowed to express themselves without constraint because you don't feel you have the right to judge or ask that they change their antisocial behaviour - you'd be raising unsocialised monsters.

Yeah - I know I'm applying my own western values, but isn't the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights based on those same values?
Exactly. Sadly, it's not as easy to gauge cultures as it is to gauge states. There's a lot of rating systems for the latter, but as far as I know noone devised a system to measure cultural performance yet.

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