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Lewis Black: The Flintstones is not a documentary.

A slightly longer version of the clip that used to be here. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

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Comment by Joseph P on February 5, 2015 at 1:01am

And on the subject of this group's actual theme, does anyone else find the one row label under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Statistics to be amusing?  I'm sure that World Jewry percentage is a technical term for what it's describing, but it still feels like that table was labeled by an anti-Semite.

Comment by Joseph P on February 5, 2015 at 12:56am

An agreement by winners of WWII placed the Jews there, with the supposed intent o returning them to their "Promised land".

Well, it's a bit more complicated than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Birth_of_Zionism_187...

Read from about there, then down through section 6: British Mandate of Palestine (1920–1948) ... or at least skim.

We often get taught that, in US history classes, that the Jews were just all picked up out of the German concentration camps and dropped into their ancestral homeland and made into a country.  The Jews had been trying to return to their holy land for quite a while, since they had been experiencing a little bit of persecution, from time to time, in Europe, for the previous millennium or two.  The big event after WWII was recognition of Israeli statehood by the US and almost all of Europe.

Comment by Joseph P on February 5, 2015 at 12:30am

@Daniel

I should say, no credible evidence. There may be bogus evidence.

Or as is more often the case, it's a matter of some fundamentalist nut rummaging through excavated Israeli ruins, saying, "We have a story of King Solomon's Temple, and here's a ruin of a big city with a temple, from before 500 BCE (not that they would use that acronym).  Looks like Solomon's Temple to me!!!"

Early biblical archaeology was dominated by the likes of William F. Albrightadvocat[ing] "biblical archaeology", in which the archaeologist's task, according to fellow Biblical archaeologist William Dever, is seen as being "to illuminate, to understand, and, in their greatest excesses, to "prove" the bible."  You don't have any chance in hell of coming out with an honest interpretation, when you go into an endeavor with that kind of mentality.

It's just like when some religious person comes to me with a website purporting to have all of this amazing scientific evidence for the existence of their god (and strangely, no others).  All I have to do is flip over to the site's About page and point out the Statement of Faith.  And you're done.  An organization with a statement of faith isn't engaging in a scientific endeavor and probably doesn't understand science.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 5, 2015 at 12:19am

well ... not the same gene pool ... but they are both of the same species. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 5, 2015 at 12:17am

The thing is, these people come out of the same gene pool. They are killing cousins, raping the maidens, bashing in the heads of he kids. As much as I have read about the conflict, it has never made sense to me. The Palestinians have lived there for centuries. An agreement by winners of WWII placed the Jews there, with the supposed intent o returning them to their "Promised land".  

Promised land! Promised by whom? Who gave them the authority? Why should Palestinians have to move over and make room for the Jews? The whole deal stinks as far as I can smell.

Given my understanding, as flawed as it is, what debating points exist? 

I see our point: "legitimate rape" or "legitimate occupation"

 

Comment by Joseph P on February 5, 2015 at 12:07am

How would you build a position for a debate, Joseph? On either side? The claims from each side seem imaginary to me.

Joan, do you mean whether I side with the Israelis or the Palestinians?  I lean towards the Palestinians, since the fairly recent formation of Israel based upon millennia-old mythology was kind of unjust.

But it isn't any worse than a lot of the wars of conquest of the 19th and 20th centuries.  How far back does your war of conquest have to have been, for your claim to be legitimate?

Why am I having quotes about legitimate rape running through my head, now?

Comment by sk8eycat on February 4, 2015 at 9:39pm

I faked myself out on that one.  My head has been in a strange place for several days, and I started to reread my Robert Ingersoll collection because I haven't been able to sleep. 

I just finished Some Mistakes of Moses early this AM, and I was still in the mood he creates in that book (supposing, JUST supposing that someone named Mosses did write the Pentateuch) when I read the joke the first time.

I also reread Jimmy Carter's book about how the Israelis have been pushing the Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas in the occupied territories. It's appalling, and I feel the Palestinians have a genuine grievance with Israel and the USA.  Never thought I'd say that, but it's true.

Comment by Daniel W on February 4, 2015 at 9:17pm

I suppose Thutmose II, or whoever the Pharaoh would have been, could have arranged to have all traces of the Hebrews erased from Egypt, and then the Hebrews were just really fastidiously clean while hundreds of thousands of them were wandering around the desert for 40 years.  Waste not want not.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 4, 2015 at 9:04pm

Oh, yes. I should have thought. 

Comment by Daniel W on February 4, 2015 at 8:46pm
On Moses, the stories related to him are extraordinary . So those claims require extraordinary evidence.

No evidence for the Hebrew slaves in Egypt.
No evidence for the plagues.
No evidence for the passover - all those people, and not a pottery shard.

I should say, no credible evidence. There may be bogus evidence.

You cant prove a negative. But you also cant prove there is no Ahura Mazda, or Quetzalcoatl, or Buddha.
 

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