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Comment by James M. Martin on September 6, 2012 at 18:51

Hegel was channeling Santayana.

Comment by Sayed Iman Rafizadeh on September 6, 2012 at 18:44

We non-believers strongly go ahead. Governments always try to push their agenda; Sometimes by religion and suppression, and sometimes by freedom and democracy.  People also see the surface of any political movements. Hegel says: “What experience and history teaches us is that people and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.”

Comment by James M. Martin on September 6, 2012 at 17:46

@ryan.  Don't worry, they have so marignalized the pagan faiths, including Luciferianism, that none of the evangelical theocrats is going to round them up and build a fire of faggot kindling.  No, it is the non-believers who will be victimized this time around.  We will be blamed for 9/11 and all manner of unfortunate events because the pols are dumbing down the electorate; one version of the GOP platform even includes a push to rid schools of "critical thinking" curricula.  That way, you can blame 9/11 on the non-believers "because" they represent just the sort of thing that would give the U.S. a bad press in places like Riyadh, Tehran, and other places, apostacy being the very worst of all possible crimes wherever Shariah prevails.

Comment by ryan leman on September 6, 2012 at 10:43

Eh i just hope there isn't another satanic panic from any theistic religions. For me that would be a pain in my ass, if i get in the Marines and start my life it won't be as much a pain but it'll still be a noticeable annoyance. Only reason i bring it up is the upcoming election, I think that if Romney gets elected there will be a higher morale for the mormon religion and i tend to worry a little when religious morale is high especially in an already powerful religion because thats when religious bias, persecutions, and signs of growing tensions tend to be more socially acceptable and sometimes rewarded socially of course. Although i doubt the election alone could start this higher degree of religious morale i think it does set a stage that would raise the possibility of such an event to happen (like bring back importance in what is and isn't the politically right way to act based on what is the religiously right way to act). Does anyone feel the same? or have we progressed so much it just wouldn't happen now

Comment by Sayed Iman Rafizadeh on September 4, 2012 at 21:50

Sufis have been widely discriminated in Mid East, however there are many branches of Sufism and It is very hard to find a right one like Al-Hallaj now.

Comment by James M. Martin on September 4, 2012 at 21:15

Robert Anton Wilson said all Sufis are "clowns."  He must have had Nasrudin in mind.  Nasrudin went to the bank and asked to withdraw funds; when asked for some identification, he took out his I.D. card, looked at it, and put it back into his pocket.  "Yep. That's me."

Of the one where a rich neighbor's servant answered the door and Nasrudin asked, "I'm collecting for charity, is the master home?"  The servant said, no sir.  Nasrudin said, "Then you better take his portrait out of the upstairs window."

Comment by James M. Martin on September 4, 2012 at 21:12

Well, I like Sufism.

Comment by James M. Martin on September 4, 2012 at 21:11

I've always said that religions who most actively attack other religions and so-called spiritual movements are the ones most likely to doubt their own.

Comment by Loren Miller on September 4, 2012 at 21:10

Probably not much different from the status of Baha'i, which is denigrated, attacked and condemned in Iran, and has been practically since its inception.

Comment by James M. Martin on September 4, 2012 at 21:08

The late Luis Bunuel would have loved the Nasrudin stories.  They are surreal.

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