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What's wrong with there being theists in the world? As long as they're not forcing you to join them, it's ok, right? ..Wrong.. This group is to share thoughts about the dangers of theism -- and through the discussion, to be armed to enlighten others.

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A happy median?

Started by Noh Name. Last reply by Tonya Wynn Dec 19, 2013. 7 Replies

I've tried not to be hostile towards theism, not that I think it is something to be tolerated or protected, but bc I once was a theist.  I know that if an anti-theist like Hitchens would get going I…Continue

My new Youtube channel "Saving You From Your Religion"

Started by Shane Starr. Last reply by Tonya Wynn Dec 19, 2013. 2 Replies

So I had a run in with one of those bible thumping "I'm going to save the world for jesus" types today in a restaurant and after much debate I decided to start a YouTube channel to vent some of my…Continue

Atheist v Anti-theist

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 13, 2013. 5 Replies

Good blog to read http://imaginarygods.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/atheist-v-anti-theist/I feel it’s time I clarify…Continue

what I believe

Started by Becoming Other. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 17, 2012. 3 Replies

http://www.nospank.net/fyog19.htm#afterwordbecause people often cannot face the repressed pain in their own…Continue

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Comment by Alan Perlman on June 7, 2012 at 10:24am

Patricia...some years ago my wife (maried to someone else) actually let a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses in -- and debated them for days, if not weeks.   Neither side budged an inch.  A couple of weeks ago, another cleanm-cut pair appeared at our door asking if we wanted to talk about the Bible.  Unfortunately, we didn't have time, so all they got was my statement that "we're hard-core atheists here" and my wife shouting from another room that the Bible was a book of horrible, primitive fantasies and God a deranged sadist. Where does one start?  Do I want to damage family relationships by belittling their superficial Judaism?  From the other side, mistrust of atheists shows up in polls that show people more likely to vote for a woman, a gay person, a Jew -- almost anyone but an atheist -- for President.  I think change has to come from the top, with an openly secular national figure -- a congressional leader or even the Prez.  Hard to believe that nearly all politicians pay at least lip service to religion and dare not utter a word against it.

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 6, 2012 at 8:06pm

Patricia,

As a PR person (speechwriting), I'm aware of the marketplace of ideas.  Atheists are way too quiet.  A bus ad or billboard here and there won't do it.  For starters, how about every religion story on TV or in the news has a quote from an atheist organization stating that, scientifically speaking, the events being celebrated just didn't happen?

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 6, 2012 at 1:20pm

Religion is at the same time the benefactor of immense social approval and the cause of immeasurable misery.  It is not enough to just be an atheist.  We must actively oppose religion, its bigotries and other horrors, or it will, as Bill Maher suggests, be the end of us.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 17, 2012 at 12:12pm

Patricia that has been my experience as well: not bring up religion, but others start and I give my best reasoning. With some, it is easy for me to stay calm and even have a little fun with questions, like, "Do you really believe ...?" My dear cousin warns her husband not to bring up religion (he is "born again") and we are not together more than "Hello, how are you?" and he starts. He tries his very best. He then goes on a hunt for some pretty or different or unique bird house and the next time we are together he gives it to me, kind of a peace offering. And the cycle begins again. My back yard has many splendid bird houses. I enjoy our debates. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 15, 2012 at 7:22pm

Silence has never been a benefit for me. I am glad to know there are others who are able and willing to take a stand. Your technique is sound! I like having a reputation .... that cuts down on idiot talk. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 9, 2012 at 11:48pm

There are those who state we should be tolerant of intolerable  behavior and I see no compelling reason why we should be kind or patient or accepting of behavior that is intolerable. It is a sign of disrespect to not be honest with those who behave badly or say outrageous things, or believe myths or superstitions. Being tolerant of intolerable behavior is cowardliness, faint-heartedness.  

Comment by Sandy on January 10, 2011 at 5:49am
Thanks Jack. I love the strapline - The Ethical Imperative.
Comment by Jack Ryan on January 9, 2011 at 7:51am

I created a digital badge for those who'd like to identify oneself as an anti-theist. If you like that badge, you can use it for any desired purpose. For suggestions feel free to send me a note.

 

Greatings...Jack

Comment by Jack Ryan on August 18, 2010 at 1:13pm
In a fascistic controlled society it is not sufficient just not to be a fascist, but rather it is compellingly necessary to be an anti-fascist. Just as in a racist society it is insufficient not to be a racist, but being an anti-racist is ethically required.

Similarly to the necessity for anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-speciesism etc. (which is in view of the parallels hard to deny) it is in our theistic dominated world absolutely insufficient just being atheistic.
Of course it's better being an atheist, instead of sharing the religious delusion. But atheism is not enough. Moreover it is necessary to act against theism. In contrast to the actual existing theism, antitheism is for ethically thinking and acting humans a must, an ethical imperative.

The consequences of theism still are and always were devastating, regional as well as global. Whether religious wars, the crusades, indoctrination of children, genocide, tendency protection, omnipresent religious torture scenes, witch hunts, racism, slavery, or simply the Christmas television program. It is inevitable to fight for the separation of church and state, against the excrescences of religion, and the right not to be bothered by the scheming of the theists.

Of course antitheism does not mean a “persecution” of god believers (it is amazing that those people already associate this with simple atheism, the absence of believe in deities). Antitheism means rather to enlighten about reality, both scientifically and politically/historically. As much as it is necessary to tell children and teenagers (who believe in the baby-delivering stork) about the actual procedures in order to avoid or at least minimize unwanted pregnancies or that there is no Santa Claus, people must also be informed that it is not a God, who hurl lightnings or give them their daily bread wondrously.
Comment by Zarta on April 2, 2010 at 6:12pm
Why is that, Adia? Why do you think the majority of humans are so "weak"?
Some thoughts of mine...
I think it's in the genes, as it was necessary long ago when small tribes and villages were forming. Not everyone could be a leader. In fact, there had to be more "weak" people than strong ones -- more followers than leaders. ... I think it could also be said that the same is true today. So, the leaders today just need to teach a different message. The leaders need to be other than those who want to keep religion going. Now, why do you think those people want to keep religion going?
More of my thoughts later. I'm curious what others in this group think.
 

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