So I like posting pictures and quotes about Atheism on my Facebook. A Christan friend of mine replied with this.



The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday
Morning Commentary.

My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does
not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up,
bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel
discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I
don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto.
In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and
sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all
that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my
beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with
me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think
Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think
people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around,
period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an
explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I
don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we
should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we
understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But
there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from
and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a
little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's
intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson
asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding
Hurricane Katrina). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful
response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we
are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to
get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the
gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out How can we expect God
to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us
alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I
think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body
found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools,
and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in
school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and
love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might
damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.
I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the
world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but
question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through
e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages
regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd,
crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but
public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on
your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they
will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than
what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit.

If not, then just discard it.... no one will know you did. But, if you
discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad
shape the world is in.

My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein





Then she posted : Be careful what you wish for



I replied with this:

The following was written by Cassandra Williamson.

I love Christmas to, even though I am an atheist, I feel happy and warm and I love being with my familly.

I don’t like being pushed around as an Atheist, and I do believe that Christians get pushed around to, I don’t approve of religion bashing, and I just simply say what I believe. Why do Christians get to quote scripture all the time and I don’t do anything, but when I say there is no god I’m pushing religious people around?

I never heard that America was an Atheist country, I’ve allways herd that this was a Christain nation, when it is neither. This is a nation with freedom of religion.

I think it is disgusting that people "worship" celebrities, I might admire some for doing good work but as an Atheist I don’t "worship" anything!

Hurricane Katrina was a NATURAL disaster, we couldn’t stop it and if god was so good and loving he would have. And yes people did want religion out of schools and government b/c there is a separation from church and state! (Which I am a proud supporter of.)

The bible does say all that and they are great moral teachings, but we don’t need god to be a moral people. And might I add the bible also says that if a woman is not a virgin on her wedding night, if a man is gay or if a kid disobeys there parents than we should all stone them to death. So sure right, lets have that in our schools. Trade in the guns and knifes for stones!

Thou shalt not kill . Madeleine Murray O'Hare was MURDERED.

Again I’m sorry if me saying what I believe hurts your feelings, but how do u think I feel when I have to hear you quote the bible?

My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully and Originally,

Cassandra Williamson

did i do the right thing? what would u have said?

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she never replied
You did the right thing. It was the free exchange of ideas and you weren't critical. She also sent you an unsolicited email, you have a right to reply. I received this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m989v49WNsw from someone on facebook and I simply sent them the link to snopes where the story was refuted and asked how we could have open dialogue is atheists are being misrepresented and lied about.
It's almost ironic that the Ben Stein post she put up by way of expressing her enlightenment about faith, wasn't written by Ben Stein. Well, the first four paragraphs of it were. http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_ben_stein_christmas.htm tells the story. Drives me nuts when people don't bother to find out where their sources came from. But that's religion for you.

And yes, you did the right thing. I'm so tired of seeing messages on my FB page with people posting religious statements about how this is a blessing or that is a miracle. No. It isn't. I don't (usually) give them crap for posting their religious pablum, and it's only fair that we have every bit as much right to post whatever we want to say about not believing. As long as it's not attacking someone personally (except people like Pat Robertson. Screw him.) then you're fine. Keep being proud of who you are!

That's my two cents. :)
I think it is disgusting that people "worship" celebrities, I might admire some for doing good work but as an Atheist I don’t "worship" anything!

~
like Greydon Square's quote on his track "2008 AD (Atheist Dreadnaught)"
"...I don't worship my parents, whomever I worship is going to be accountable for something..."
something to that effect.

It's futile to wage 'digital feudalism' upon those that are already under mind-control; xtian fear-based websites etc..

amongst people struggling against religion freaks and abused youth (adult psychos) well, do the math, do the trail of funding... republicans of the last 20 decades or so really set back this USA; waaaay back, at least the internet is for the most part free here.
Ben Stein is a well known liar and shill, but I'm not surprised he didn't write the latter part of that pile of steaming garbage. I've read essays with greater depth and complexity written by high school freshmen. Good on you for responding...although, I'd have said that the United States is not an Atheist country or a Christian country, but a secular country, neutral on the subject of religion as put forth in the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Somehow this bizarre theodicy, that we somehow 'reap what we sow', never seems to work backwards. Even when the U.S. population was more religious, the nation still suffered the Johnstown Flood, the Galveston Hurricane, the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906, the Spanish Flu pandemic, the Dust Bowl, and many more. They prayed in school back in those days, didn't they? Apparently, this god fellow is no "gentleman".
Ben Stein also has a lame documentary out called "Expelled: No intelligence allowed" in which he visits the Discovery Institute in Seattle and investigates the conspiracy among "Darwinists" to prevent intelligent design from being given fair weight as a scientific theory. You will note on his website that he also supports the 'Academic freedom initiative' which seeks to prevent suppression of conservative ideas in the classroom by left-leaning college professors. I guess not enough conservatives have what it takes to get tenure these days...

BTW, AP - I think you did just great in your reply and answered with deference and restraint.

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/

Loved your comment, interesting .

We need more Eloquence and Altruism.

"Pearls to the Swines" oi

 

Andrew

Yeah!  And let's not forget the polio epidemic which killed innocent children the world over.  Don't thank god..right?  Thank Jonas Salk, who can only be classified as deist at most.  Yeah, that whole line of reasoning in the alleged Ben Stein letter, is just a complete fail.  Stein continues to show the world, (at least those of us who are rational) that he isn't as smart as he thinks he is.  In fact, the more he opens his mouth about atheism, the more ignorant and prejudiced he proves himself to be.  I hope that jack wagon just keeps running his mouth!  Right up until any credibility he ever had is gone.  (Not really sure why anyone thought he was soooo intelligent anyway.)
Ben Stein is not worth taking time to think or write about. He has a few screws loose. If he wanted to discuss his opinions, I would be up to the task, but he knows the "truth", whatever that is, and doesn't want to be confused by evidence.
I might have used different words, but I don't think I could have made the point any better. Very well done.
You did the right thing. You do have to pick your battles and maybe this will stop your friend from sending anymore of these messages.
Great response.

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