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Comment by Gecko, Seth...brother of Richie! on June 21, 2009 at 2:43pm

Now for the lighter side, thought this belonged here, enjoy

Comment by Gecko, Seth...brother of Richie! on June 21, 2009 at 12:15pm

O my fuckin god!!! Now the medical establishment is a conspiracy against humankind!! Must be controled by the Bilderberg Group!!
Lets throw on our sandals, get out our ox carts, and join much of the Islamic world in the 15th fuckin century!!
Most of these people work their asses off to keep us healthy and do what they can to save AND extend our lives. Does it suck that it sometimes goes awry...sure nothing is perfect or guaranteed. But this conspiracy bull shit is ridiculous.
Black helicopter people....Jesus!!!!

Comment by Reverend AtheiStar on June 21, 2009 at 5:32am

I hear ya. The medical establishment is kind of like a religion. Since doctors are seen as posessing immense knowledge and being able to do things that the average person cannot, they are lifted far above the rest of us. We just throw money at them and get little respect back. It's very much like the clergy, really.

I can see the good in both, though. My wife's third pregnancy, though terrible to endure, led to the birth of the cutest baby in the world who has changed us all for the better. She's our little sunshine and I hate even having to leave to go to work! On the vasectomy, it's better now that the pains have subsided. But the torture I endured for the year that followed has left me very scarred mentally and emotionally. It's robbed me of a lot of my confidence and filled me with an aching sadness. It's given a very dark side to one of my favorite subjects and filled me with fear that that fateful mistake last February will eventually end up destroying my genitals all together. The only good I can take from being butchered alive on that table that day is that my wife has not gotten pregnant since. I don't think her body could've handled another child while having a blocked, infected and hemorhaging gall bladder. I don't think she could handle it now, either. It'd certainly ruin any career aspirations she has -- or, at least, seriously derail them, as Cady did, even if we love her dearly. So, basically, I put my balls on the chopping block so my wife could live. I'm kind of like a Testicular Jesus! ;)

~RAS
Founder of FSA
www.malevolentdesign.org

Comment by Reverend AtheiStar on June 20, 2009 at 10:48pm

That's the problem, though. They tell you next to nothing about the dangers of vasectomy. They make it seem like it's the easiest thing in the world, a slice, a snip and we'll just sew you back up and you'll be on your way! A week of bedrest and some ice and you'll be like new, again!

Bullshit! It's a fucking dirty scam and they know it! They know, too, that despite their misdeeds and propensity for runing lives and relationships, these motherfcukers are untouchable! You simply cannot win againt them by trying to use the law. Time and time again, vasectomy victims have tried and failed -- losing tens of thousands of dollars only to end up broke and still in agonzing pain!

I would like to see doctors forced to have a huge, glowing neon disclaimer on their front door, warning of the possible side effects -- much like cigarette companies were forced to do years ago. That'd put a dent in their crooked operation!

~RAS
Founder of FSA
www.malevolentdesign.org

Comment by Justin Pearson Smith on June 20, 2009 at 5:06pm

Jacqueline- Considering we're in different countries I'd say the odds of us meeting in person are slim. Your experience with Randall Terry and his lackeys sounds terrible. It's because of situations like that, that we need groups in place to help us launch legal campaigns.

Comment by Фелч Гроган on June 20, 2009 at 7:15am

@Matt [linkophelia, most of it that I've seen and quoted as creative accounting]

What's your point ? How is manipulating rape statistics with the same hysteria that the RIAA manipulates "piracy" statistics supposed to help anyone ? This in the land that brought us "date rape" and repressed memory therapy, all smudged into the same figures. How is a genuine rape victim supposed to feel at the fact that the crime against her is treated with same status in the statistics as a drunken sorority chick that had her boobies squeezed at a frat party ? You never had a drunken women give you unwanted advances ? Shouldn't that be bundled in with male rape statistics ?

I'll tell you what the right wing xtian 'patriarchal conspiracy' really loves - it's reading through deranged ravings like the ones spattered all over the comment wall below (you're a coward and an abusive misogynist prick... Since you love beating up on women, especially rape survivors... Now, you want hate speech, you got it — PRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!... You have "misogynist" written all over you... etc. etc. et-fucking-cetera). They don't need to lift a finger to support their case. This kind of hysteria does far more damage than they could ever hope to achieve on their own.

You want to make a case for the horror of rape ? You do it with quiet understatement and raw, carefully explained fact. The brutal reality doesn't need any embellishment to carry weight. Jacqueline's rantings twist it all up into sick freak-show slapstick. That is what pisses me off.

But by all means, jump on the bandwagon. Maybe it'll get you laid. While we're at it, lets just hang a sign on the main page - "Atheist Nexus ! Conspiracy theorists and gender oppression catastrophists welcome !!!"

Comment by Justin Pearson Smith on June 20, 2009 at 4:32am

naturally as an atheist I fully support anyone my wife included to have access to all forms of safe contraception. In regards to abortions and vasectomies I have no problem with them being legal provided adequate information about the risks is available. Having said that I do feel that all of this comes hand in hand with better sex education. The more we have people practicing safe sex, the fewer abortions we'll have and the fewer unwanted pregnancies. Ultimately contraception needs to be agreed upon by both parties and shouldn't involve anything that either participant disapproves off.

Comment by Justin Pearson Smith on June 20, 2009 at 1:08am

I'm sure in the coming years we'll find other more effective methods of birth control which don't require surgery and have fewer side effects. I was already doubtful as to whether a vasectomy would be the right decision since I don't have children. Admittedly I don't presently ever plan on having kids but people do change their mind and I'd hate to go through a reversal. Aside from financial reasons, we don't plan on having a kid because of a clash of values ie I don't believe in the invisible man in the sky.

I initially started to find the idea of a vasectomy repulsive after hearing them mention it on Chariots of Iron (I think) and now I'm definitely against it for both myself and my wife.

Comment by Gecko, Seth...brother of Richie! on June 20, 2009 at 12:28am

Matt welcome to the group.

Comment by Reverend AtheiStar on June 20, 2009 at 12:01am

@ Jaqueline:

Yes, both men and women suffer in the realm of trying to deal with the pregnancy issue. 1 in 6 men have gotten a vasectomy in the US. The numbers, I'm sure, are much , much higher for women who have had anything done to stop a pregnancy or prevent future ones. Likewise, the female side is undoubtedly a lot higher for complications resulting from these procedures.

Having endured this myself, I really empathize with women on this subject. When my wife told that she felt like her vagina was going to rip apart -- after she had sufered a clitoral tear, naturally, from the birth of our second child -- I really couldn't understand. Aside from a good kick in the balls or a soreness from masturbation/sex, I just hadn't experienced severe pain in that area. I really had no idea. Now I do -- and I realize what kind of damage it can do to a healthy sex life. Why endanger that when it's so vitally important to a good relationship? Why choose (and pay dearly) to have another person do this to you? It just doesn't make sense. If you have a choice, please, please say NO!

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