Atheists for Israel and Palestine
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Atheists for Israel and Palestine (AIPs) believe in a two-state solution to resolve the long-standing Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We believe that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish-majority state, and Palestine as an Arab-majority state.
Members: 11
Latest Activity: Jun 3, 2011
Purpose
AIPs believe that Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish-majority state, and we believe that Palestine has the right to exist as an Arab-majority state, but we also believe that minority religious and ethnic groups must be accepted within both states and must have equal rights and opportunities. AIPs oppose all religious and ethnic intolerance on both sides.
Debates about the Israel/Palestine conflict are too often hysterical and disrespectful. Although the strong emotions around this conflict are sometimes understandable, such debates are not conducive to solutions. As AIPs we wish to conduct and encourage respectful and constructive debates between moderate pro-Palestinians and moderate pro-Israelis, and we particularly encourage the involvement of those who support both sides.
AIPs believe that the Israel/Palestine conflict can only be resolved through direct negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians resulting in two states. In the long-term, these two states should be independent from each other but also friendly to each other. If this group can help, even in a marginal way, towards this goal, then it would have served its purpose.
In the following video, artists Palestinian Mira Anwar Awad and Israeli Achinoam Nini (Noa) talk about how to achieve peace:
Here is a video by Ray Hanania, a Palestinian peace activist:
And peace voices from Israel:
Discussion Forum
Negotiations resuming, but what about Hamas?
Started by Against All Fanatics. Last reply by Against All Fanatics Aug 21, 2010. 7 Replies 0 Likes
More on a different approach
Started by Al-KADIM. Last reply by Against All Fanatics Aug 21, 2010. 5 Replies 0 Likes
Two State Solution or Something Else
Started by Al-KADIM. Last reply by Sufian Ahmad Aug 19, 2010. 5 Replies 0 Likes
Comment Wall
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Comment by Prog Rock Girl on August 17, 2010 at 10:14pm -
"Debates about the Israel/Palestine conflict are too often hysterical and disrespectful." Finally someone recognized that.
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Comment by Al-KADIM on August 17, 2010 at 11:19pm -
I am very happy to see this group. So often it becomes a case of one is right so the other is wrong.
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Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on August 28, 2010 at 7:18pm -
I think we need to end the occupation and the settlements. Do we have a consensus on that? -- Gary
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Comment by Sufian Ahmad on August 29, 2010 at 9:04am -
I agree, although this sentence could be misunderstood in so many ways. I am for the ending of oppression and respect for human life, which should be more of Israel's responsibility since they have more power.
Thats the fucked up thing about religion, it drives you to be inhumane and makes you think that you are!
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Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on August 29, 2010 at 9:18am
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By settlements, I mean most importantly, the settlements that started right after the end of the 1967 war. The settlement movement also became religio-ideological. But of course the settlements in Israeli "occupied" Palestinian territories started before 1967. If you settle people from another countries, or another Continent on someone else's land and expel them, there is going to be resentment, violence, repression and retaliation. That's been the history all over the world. Native Americans didn't just sit by and allow themselves to be pushed off their native lands either. -- Gary
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Comment by Sufian Ahmad on August 29, 2010 at 9:41am
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See as a Jordanian of Palestinian origins, I view it like this:
Israelis have done horrible things to Palestinians but in order for Palestinians to be able to fight back, they need to acquire the apposite mission, freedom and liberty should be at the heart of the Palestinians' struggle, if it had been I think that it would have been much more successful, especially that at some historical point they could have made a difference not just in Palestine but in the world.
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Comment by Al-KADIM on August 29, 2010 at 9:46am
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While I would agree in principle, I think that it oversimplifies the problem. Any solution should be based on the idea of finding ways for two peoples to live together. Simply saying that one group (whether Israelis or Palestinians) should not be in some bit of land or other only exacerbates the problem by enforcing boundaries rather than opening them.
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Comment by Prog Rock Girl on November 7, 2010 at 10:58am
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Native Americans didn't just sit by and allow themselves to be pushed off their native lands either
The Native Americans are the reason Americans don't have a lot of room to judge.
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Comment by SonofSagan on November 17, 2010 at 5:31pm
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Hi people :)
Where can I read objective and scholarly books on the Israel-Palestine feud? Please write down any sites, documentaries and articles as well :)
Thanks!
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Comment by Sufian Ahmad on November 18, 2010 at 3:30am
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Objective books about this issue might be hard to find :) Its a religious conflict after all, you have to find a rational point of view for yourself :)
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Blog Posts
Death of a family member
Posted by Larry Taylor on May 20, 2013 at 8:15pm 4 Comments 1 Like
OK. I am venting. My mother died two weeks ago. She was a “god fearing christian.” Before her death she refused all medical treatment. She wanted to be left alone. She even refused to speak with my brother who is a methodist minister. He is a pip, let me tell you! I suspect she did not believe, but a woman born in her time could not and did not state her actual beliefs. This is the opening salvo to all christians; FUCK YOU! I had so many people come and tell…
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Unbelievable!!!!!!!!
Posted by Christy Stewart on May 20, 2013 at 2:17pm 6 Comments 0 Likes
This probably should not have shocked me as much as it did (especially since I am in Texas). I actually thought my coworkers were playing a joke on me because they know I am an atheist. Sadly, this was no joke. This actually happened.
I work in a psychiatric hospital. The doctors who admit patients are general MDs. (Psychiatrists see patients after admission) Yesterday evening we received several calls from irate parents. A new doctor who was doing admissions yesterday actually…
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Posted by Debra Stevenson on May 20, 2013 at 1:09pm 1 Comment 0 Likes
What do you think of this,
Nathan Young,
No Jason Torpy it is you that should be banned for promoting atheism, a belief that has no foundation in reality and zero proof behind it. The letter was a mockery of your atheist beliefs. I request to the board here that they remove Jason for his unverifiable beliefs in atheism for which he has no proof other than his arrogance. The letter was a mockery of atheism. Atheism is stupid and it should be mocked and it…
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Posted by Debra Stevenson on May 20, 2013 at 12:42pm 3 Comments 0 Likes
What do you think of this Facebook comment?
Nathan Young to Jason Torpy,
for once you and I can agree on something. We should disrespect beliefs that are untenable such as the belief that there is no God. Indeed for me to respect you Jason, I cannot respect your belief in non-belief in atheism. Your atheism comes across as arrogrance, smugness, and self righteous. Indeed after reading "An Open Letter to My Religious Friends" I penned one…
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