I love this quote from Penn Jillette and a wonderful interview.
The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don't want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don't want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you. You know what I mean?
Ron Bennington: Now what do you say to people though that say, whether or not there’s an afterlife, it’s still important to have this because it keeps us morally based, it keeps us family based and even at the end of this life, if nothing happens, it’s still good to have these set of rules.
Penn Jillette: Well, you know, God told Abraham to kill his son, and his proof of Abraham’s devotion was his willingness to kill his son. Jesus says very clearly, “abandon your father and mother, abandon your children and come with me.” There’s nothing pro-family about Christianity. That is all layered on. That is all-American. The American Christian church has a great deal of family values, but those aren’t found in the Bible, those aren’t in the root material. We have a lot of evidence, [Christopher] Hitchens, a good friend of mine, we miss him all the time, but Hitchens had a standing offer for a religious person to name a moral thing that was done in the name of religion that had not been done by an atheist. All of your self-sacrifice, all of the help for communities, have all been done by religious people and by atheists. But I’ll tell one story that I just love, I brought a date once, because this is the kind of guy I am, to hear an atheist speaker. We’re sitting there in a college-type atmosphere, probably about 150 people in the audience, and I even forgot who it was speaking because there were a lot of people that day, it might have been [Michael] Shermer, and he speaks and he finished and he opens the floor up to questions. The person on the other side of my date stands up and says, “Well if there’s no God, what’s to stop me from raping and killing everyone around me?” And my date raised her hand and said, “May I change my seat?” [Laughter]
Ron Bennington: But maybe it’s because we distrust each other, we’re so afraid of other humans, that we have that, you know?
Penn Jillette: It’s amazing, and I always bring this up, that religion is for people who kind of at some level don’t like people. And I love people. And I think if you take the 7 billion people on the planet and you round it off, about 7 billion of them are good. To find bad people is really difficult. Not people doing bad things, but really bad people who get up in the morning and say, How can I fuck people up? That’s a really rare thing. Misguided, you know, mistaken, but I just can’t understand how this view of humanity that all we want to do is horrible things to each other and it’s just this belief in something else that stops us. And that that is what you see over and over again through the Bible. There’s reward and punishment but there’s no – I mean, nothing feels better than helping someone out. I mean, there’s nothing better, nothing better in the world than someone whose life was fucked up and you do a little something and now their life isn’t. I mean, you can talk about the joy of sex, hedonistic joys of food, and you can talk about the joy with your children, but man, someone is going through a hard time and you help them out, man you feel good for months.
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John, you've said the reasonableness of a god's existence is easy to prove.
Can you do it?
Is it reasonable as well that this god is a male, and is not a god of the gaps?
Neurology is already demonstrating the non-existence of God, or more precisely, that God is an illusion.
We have already solved many of the unanswered questions of where morals and ethics come from, and it has been demonstrated from studies into the minds of many species of animal that morality and ethics are evolution based for the survival of the species.
Group dwellers have a natural reason not to harm and to assist their own for survival of the group. Apes assassinate or excommunicate rapists, because only the leader is allowed to propagate in some gorilla species.
There is evidence that apes fantasize and masturbate over these fantasies, though subjective, not conclusive as yet.
The only evidence for god is subjective, which means without verification.
Neurology is finding real evidence that religion comes from inside the human mind and not from the outside (cosmic consciousness, godhead, etc...)
We are delusional animals and some of those delusions produce religious concepts.
That is only natural, but the God it creates is imaginary only.
Such is the basis of all religion, imaginary fantasy!
Yes, Neurology will one day destroy religion by finding how God(s) are created within the brain structures only.
Thank you DOG for replying about neurology and how it demonstrates the non-existence of god. Yes I agree that god is a imaginary fantasy. Religion is just a myth.
On the contrary, it's less reasonable to believe in a god with science explaining more and more.
(paraphrasing from memory) Even allowing for a weaker model of "God" than the untenable traditional omniscient/omnipotent/omnibenevolent -- a creator god who has a special interest in human beings, and who doesn't hide from sincere seekers -- the universe, and our planet, and our societies, look exactly as we'd expect without such a god.
(Victor Stenger, God: The Failed Hypothesis)
And DOG, thanks for pointing out that neurology has been and is making progress in explaining how god delusions arise.
You are operating with severely contaminated mindware.
You are contaminating this site which is derived for those wishing to decontaminate their mindware.
Please either leave this site or seriously seek mindware decontamination.
You need to do a course on Critical Thinking for starters, just to see how Irrational and unreliable your Faith truly is.
Then spend the rest of your life in technical book shops where you can study real science and leave the seminary forever, because there is no real knowledge in any of the books you will ever find there.
Please take my Advice, for "To your own Brain be True!"
Don't know if he'll see it, though: he's now gone from this site. (I don't think it was by choice.)
He'll see it alright, he can still see replies without being a member, so likely, like all trolls, he will be looking back at replies to see if he caused anything, just like criminals regularly return to the scene of a crime, it's there ego that drives them back to view their handiwork. LOL I know, having once been a troll myself.
Though John Johnson was a Catholic minister and a Christian blogger, so it's possible the same bloke. Might go and troll his sites for a bit of payback. ROFL!
Payback's a bitch! Go trolling DD!!! :)
Is John Jonson still here? I reported this Xtian troll days ago.
Yes please troll him back.
No Steph, he's been kicked.
Found there are two Xtian John Johnson, one is a modern evangelistic Negroid minister and the other is a Caucasian Catholic apologist (liar) , from the similarities in comments, I assume it was the apologist whose comments on Christian apologetics apologetic websites don't allow comments, so he cannot be Trolled there :-(. Damn.
Those sites used to allow comments a couple of years ago, maybe it's the likes of myself who got the forum section removed.
The only other one I cannot access without revealing my personal data, because all my IP address and aliases and email addresses are known to them.
It wasn't like the old days when I could troll any site I wanted to, anonymously. Well, I haven't the time to bother getting around their access security, so I'll just be happy with A/N kicking him for now.
How is race relevant and appropriate?
How is race relevant and appropriate to what?? I don't see anyone here answering the posted topic with anything about race. What did happen was that a theist snuck in here (John Johnson) and he ended up banned. Everyone was upset about him and his stupid religious answers. None of us knew what race he was and none of us asked. I hope that helps you.