Will Secularization Reduce Our Militarization?

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Permalink Reply by Sassan K. on August 31, 2011 at 10:57am

We fought a war - we did not systematically target civilians. Less overall people have died than would have died under the reign of Saddam Hussein and his cronies - in particular with Saddam committing illegal acts of fraud against the oil-for-food program and allowing hundreds of thousands of his people to perish every year (away from the thuggery, murders, and genocide he inflicted upon his people).

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Permalink Reply by Brian Wood on August 31, 2011 at 10:03am

Forcing other people to give up their natural resources while assuring them we're bringing them freedom and lotsa other good stuff has been the American way since long before we were americans (1789).

 

If these people want the blessing of freedom,they can get it the way Washington, Adams, Jefferson, et. al. did, not by having it forced upon them by a brutal, occupying, distant bully.

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Permalink Reply by Sassan K. on August 31, 2011 at 10:56am

America would not have been free without the assistance of France. Often times, assistance is needed.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Pastor on August 31, 2011 at 1:09pm

true, but we asked for that assistance

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Permalink Reply by Sassan K. on August 31, 2011 at 2:23pm

Libyans asked for our assistance. Syrians are asking for our assistance. Iranians are asking for our assistance. The Afghani people asked for our assistance. And the Iraqi people asked for our assistance.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Pastor on August 31, 2011 at 1:38pm

agreed to brian  and to sassan, it seems you still havent seen the video showing american helicopter gunners shooting iraqi civilians.

you claim god like knowledge concerning how many people saddam wud have killed.  fyi saddam is dead. what i am against is terror inflicted by my government. i dont care how many are killed one is enuff, altho we have killed many more. my reason is that  i live in a democracy, and in a democracy i am responsible for the actions of my government.

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Permalink Reply by Sassan K. on August 31, 2011 at 2:29pm

When we commit war crimes, our troops are prosecuted. In war, there are always unfortunate circumstances such as the rape incident and Abu Gharib. In situations like those, we prosecute those involved; such events are the endorsed or systematically practiced by our military.

And again, you have no clue what oppression and terror is. Only can people who have no idea what terror truly is, call our nation "terrorists". It is a shameful, shameless, and self-denigrating act that doesn't reflect very much of you. The vast majority of the Afghani and Iraqi people are grateful for our assistance in their liberations. We have learned our lesson and stayed the course instead of cutting and running like we did after the Soviets were forced out of Afghanistan; in turn, the Taliban were able to flourish and Al Qaeda were able to create safe havens in Afghanistan. We have sacrificed our young men and women for a better Afghanistan, Iraq, and most importantly free world. We have killed Bin Laden and either killed or captured most of the top Al Qaeda operatives, and haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11. Not to forget, we have created regional stability and the sentiment of the Arab world compared to pre-9/11 is much more favorable upon us. Before 9/11, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were fairly popular in the Arab-Islamic world; now they are shunned upon. The freedom movement in the Middle East is a direct result of the liberations of Afghanistan and Iraq. Ghaddafi gave up his nuclear and biological program after Saddam was captured thinking he was next. Do you think the liberation of Libya would have been possible if Ghaddafi had nuclear and biological weapons? Of course not...; people have seen that the tyrants they once thought were untouchable are now all touchable with persistence and in fact, the time for tyrants and terrorist world leaders is nearing its end.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Wesner on August 31, 2011 at 1:44pm

To Matt VDB: I quote you: "But the incompetence and clumsiness of the operation that achieved the overthrowal, also led to a civil war causing the death of hundreds of millions of people."   Uh, Matt, are you aware that the total U S population is 312,000,000 people?  You just said we killed as many people in Iraq as there are in this country.  It's gross overstatements like this that undercut your positions.

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Permalink Reply by Sassan K. on August 31, 2011 at 2:31pm

lol I just caught that now too. "we killed hundreds of millions of Iraqis" according to Matt VDB, lol. In fact, if we didn't do anything; the sheer number of total deaths of Iraqis at this point of time would have been higher (Saddam curtailing oil-for-food was resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths per year alone! - not to count the atrocities Saddam was putting forth on his people on a daily basis).

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Permalink Reply by Carl Pastor on August 31, 2011 at 3:41pm

again sassan makes claim to knowledge it is impossible to have. we do not know how many people saddam wud have killed

you just said you were iranian, yet you use we and our to refer to american actions. i am aware that some people have dual nationality, which is fine with me, but your use of the plural pronoun is confusing untill you give us more info.

i have defined terror as indiscriminate force. you say i have no clue. well, what's your definition?

then you claim that the iraqis and afgans are happy to have us in their countries. yes every day they show their love for us by trying to kill us.

then you claim we ran when the soviets were forced out of afganistan. where did we run?

regional stability???? the whole of north africa was in arms  until very recently, we have no idea what kind of governments will rise up there, and certainly even you must admit that iraq and afganistan arent stable nations today.

then you ask us for god like knowledge with your strange query, "do you think the liberation of libya wud have been possible if ghaddafi had biological and nuclear weapons?" and you have the nerve to answer your question.  ok i get it you have a major delusional problem sassan, i hate to tell you this, but you are not god. the only rational answer to your question is, "I Don't know"

its a bit quick to state that the time for tyrants is over, the nations of north africa have a hard task ahead of them and i wish them well.

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Permalink Reply by Matt VDB on August 31, 2011 at 3:40pm

Jerry,

 

Oh please. That was clearly a typo; I of course meant hundreds of thousands.

 

The fact that you have to pretend that blatantly obvious typos are intentional statements of facts in order to discredit my position, speaks volumes.

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Permalink Reply by Secular Forces 2013 on September 1, 2011 at 3:03am

LOL. ha. Sweden is the most atheist nation on the planet. They have the only all stealth naval fleet too. That was years ago....
? either way. one could not disagree that conslavatism(s) racisms and the piñata full of locust aka fundy xtianity is just a front for international organized crime and money laundering. what else can one say but...
stop dumbing down the USA. Reagan already tried that and most people wake up after a while in la la land.
bad enough folks gotta deal with senile old parents that give it all for a god (aka money grubbing sign here/here and here type of pastors...) people getting disowned and shyte wtf kinda family life is that!?
See... aside from military the influence starts on tv or family... ~
Secular'...zation? only keeps the Constitution honest... for the most part. the main obstacle for cheaters; the main tool of the feds.

find a balance maybe

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