Why pray if god already "has a plan"?

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Permalink Reply by lol mahmood on April 26, 2009 at 2:44am

Alex, good post. I'm nicking some of this for my next online debate with a theist (if you don't mind)!

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Permalink Reply by Kingsley on April 26, 2009 at 7:46pm

Good post indeed!
You have managed to articulate logic that I frequently find difficult to put into word. I just hope I can remember this argument when next confronted by a strong Abrahamic theist.

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Permalink Reply by Tedster on April 26, 2009 at 3:46am

this may be a little off tangent but I noticed that on the right side says Christian Prayer Center, which is an excellent troll opportunity. :-)

this is the link http://www.christianprayercenter.com/ but click the google add first as they pay for it.

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Permalink Reply by Leslee Love on April 29, 2009 at 9:36am

Bloody brilliant Alex...xtns are satanists!! I love it!

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Permalink Reply by Karl on April 29, 2009 at 7:08am

I think I have the answer, god is supposed to be omnipitant, so he already knows what people want from him, which is why he never answers the phone when people pray to him, so he has already made his mind up what he is going to do and he already knows his reponse to their wants, so he ignores them.Hence nobody ever gets an answer when they phone him and he never calls back.
People have free will and he utterly ignores it, brilliant.

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Permalink Reply by Leslee Love on April 29, 2009 at 9:31am

Supposedly, if you call on the elders in heaven, they will hear your prayer and go to god on your behalf and you just may get your prayer answered, or some sort of intervention. Ain't that nice. But, I agree with Dawn K....you just cut that logic usage out!! :) Isn't logic great! Makes perfect sense and I feel like Mr. Spock when I use it...when is all too often!!

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Permalink Reply by Brenda on April 29, 2009 at 9:59am

I think that more reasonable religious folks would say that they pray to god for him to help them accept the challenges that he has provided them, rather than to change what is.

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Permalink Reply by Goz on April 29, 2009 at 3:56pm

So where's my million $$$$,God?

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Permalink Reply by Rev Hellbound Alleee on April 29, 2009 at 3:10pm

Getting a straight answer from a True Believer is like squeezing blood from a stone.

when you ask them a question like that, they know it will force them to think about implications of their religion that will be ultimately uncomfortable.

I am currently in a discussion with a Christian who doesn't understand why I don't worship her favorite god. I'm asking her if it was God who made the rule that unbelievers go to hell (she professes a belief in this.).

She has dodged the question for three emails now. Deliberately. I think that she is closing her mind to it because she's afraid of thinking about it.

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Permalink Reply by Karl on April 29, 2009 at 4:00pm

So what happens when you force a fundie to think about the logical inconsistancies of their religion and think for themselves ? I mean if they are deeply brainwashed and havent had a thought of their own for years I assume it can trigger complete mental collapse. Its all very well laughing at their mad ideas but a lot of them are just decent people who have been caught up in the madness though no fault of thier own.

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Permalink Reply by booklover on October 21, 2012 at 9:11am

It's begging him to change his mind, even though he's perfect. LOL

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