i see there is "Black Freethought" as one of the groups listed on the main page. is there something different about black freethought as opposed to white freethought or just freethought without any race attached? would it be tolerated to post a "white freethought" or "caucasian freethought" group? this is sickening that this is allowed here.

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That doesn't, though, exclude you from the charge of thinking in a racist manner.

Having suffered something doesn't give you or anybody else, the right to inflict that same suffering on others.

If you are really concerned about slavery, why not speak out about slavery that still exists today?


I don't have the power to be a racist. White people are not the victims of non-white supremacy because it doesn't exist. If a delusional white person feels they are the victim of their imagination I would suggest psycho-therapy.

When did I say I was REALLY concerned about slavery? The 13th amendment of the US constitution abolished slavery in the US in 1865, except for in the correctional system.

I have been a grassroots organizer for half of my adult life including prison issues. There are hundreds of thousands of oppressed colonized people in my city alone who need to be liberated.

Peter what is your racial background/phenotype?
Ralph, you really are an embarrassment to the A/N community. You STALK other members from forum to forum with an obsession to make personal attacks. If you acted this way in real life a person could get a restraining order against you.

Please stop embarrassing the A/N community. A/N is a valuble resource, so don't try to ruin it for the rest of us over a personal vendetta. You are in your 50's so start acting like it.

And if you don't believe in free speech, which you don't, and if you want to silience people who do not agree with your politics, then you don't belong here or in the United States of America.

Farrakhan responds to charge of anti-Semitism (Al-Jazeera)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl13wd70ZSg
You seem very angry.

The world would be a much better place if everyone just chilled out and talked everything out over a bottle of wine, don't you agree?
I don't drink alcohol or put poison in my body.
Anger is also a poison.
>I don't have the power to be a racist. White people are not the victims of black racism. Black racism against white people doesn't exist.
>
This is the fundamental misunderstanding! It's an important one, though.

'Racism', or 'racialism' is the negative discrimination against people on the grounds of race. That's it.

This doesn't require power. If you simply act in an unmannerly manner towards somebody because of their race, you are being racist. If you boycott businesses because of the race of the people who own them, you're being as racist as if you don't employ people because of their race.

Racism is symmetrical. Anybody can be a victim or a perpetrator of a racist act. The matter at the heart is the disrespect for people simply because they belong, or you believe they belong, to a racial group.

You live in a very insular world, clearly, but that's not uncommon in the US. If you read about Zimbabwe, over the past few decades, as just one example, you'd know about terrible atrocities, racist atrocities, performed by black Zimbabweans against white Zimbabweans. In Zimbabwe, as in many other places, white people are a minority, not a majority. So arguments linking racism to minority or majority politics are simply wrong and naive.

Of course, simple facts won't dislodge religious belief. If you have some sort of idée fixe that your claim about racism is true, then I imagine that learning that you're wrong won't help. If, though, you genuinely are an atheist - that is, not a believer in things for irrational reasons - then I hope you'll consider the meaning of 'racism', realise that you're wrong, and use another, more accurate name for what you're saying.

At the moment, though, what you are saying is, not to put to fine a point upon it, racist.
You live in a very insular world, clearly, but that's not uncommon in the US. If you read about Zimbabwe, over the past few decades, as just one example, you'd know about terrible atrocities, racist atrocities, performed by black Zimbabweans against white Zimbabweans. In Zimbabwe, as in many other places, white people are a minority, not a majority.

Firstly, I will not waste my time having a discussion with you because you avioded answering my question and you continue to distort what I say and believe.

So arguments linking racism to minority or majority politics are simply wrong and naive.

I never made that argument. Europeans are the oppressor and in a minority, globally, and in many of the countries they colonized.

Secondly, if white settlers don't like living in a country they colonized, exploited, and oppressed they can hop on the first plane or boat back to Europe.
> Secondly, if white settlers don't like living in a country they colonized, exploited, and oppressed they can hop on the first plane or boat back to Europe
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Now that is pure, evil, racism.

I'm afraid that I have to agree that the matter is closed - I'm only really prepared to discuss thing with people who can discuss.
> Firstly, I will not waste my time having a discussion with you because you avioded answering my question and you continue to distort what I say and believe
>
Oh, dear! Well, I can't say that I'm that surprised. No matter, I understand that there is little point in discussions with True Believers(TM) in anything.
People, I think this topic has been pretty well exhausted. Over 170 replies to a post that was obviously put here for no other reason than to inflame and divide.

I understand completely that this is a subject which involves strong emotions, but, ultimately, we have to accept that this is a forum about atheism, not about racism - although of course, the two sometimes intertwine.

As far as I can see, the important thing that has been established in this thread is that everyone here is against racism and fully supportive of the Black Freethought Group on AN. But opinions on the finer points of racism are bound to differ due to different life experiences and are not going to be resolved by squabbling about it over the internet.

I think everyone has had a chance to have a fair say on this matter. Now, for the good of the site as a whole, it is time to move on and let this thread die.
I see I missed quite a bit of the fun last night. From what I see now, I think I was right about troll infiltration. In any case, I'm quite familiar with the mentality in question and will not entertain it further. Nor will I participate further in this discussion.
MODS-am I going to have to report him for a THIRD time? He's intentionally disruptive, Ban him already.

Who's the troll? Ralph, this is the second time you've done the same thing on two different threads.

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