Why are so many atheists against prenatal personhood‽

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Permalink Reply by funk Q on December 23, 2008 at 4:39am

Are you going to keep rewording and reposting until you get a specific response? If so what is it?

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Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on December 23, 2008 at 7:09am

Italics Christopher Peter Robinson

Y'know, you're starting to sound like a one string guitar.

From part 1 -

Let's try this again...
http://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/why-are-so-many-atheists-2

OK. Lets finish with part 1 first, as posted in Politics.

Is it just for the sake of disagreeing with the religious? Is it because they see being anti-abortion-rights as being a strictly religious viewpoint? Are anti-abortion-rights atheists worried about fitting in? Is it just a coincidence?

What is your obsession with framing this in either a religious context, or "fitting in" ? Why do you conspicuously avoid the fact that maybe its just the independent opinions of freethinkers ? Why does there need to be some kind of mob mentality behind it ?

You reiterate this word for word in an entirely separate discussion here in Ethics & Morals [*] -

Is it just for the sake of disagreeing with the religious? Is it because they see being anti-abortion as being a strictly religious viewpoint? Are anti-abortion atheists worried about fitting in? Is it just a coincidence?

Is this point really worth stating twice, in two separate forums ? Why ?

(further in thread)

Just so you know, I am aware of the arguments for the pro-abortion side. I'm just wondering why the disproportionite number of pro-abortion atheists?

Can you clarify your point ? It has the same logic as stating "I'm just wondering why the disproportionite number of pro-abortion Libertarians ?" - which you claim to be.

(further on, a diversion into loony toon land)

And a man about to kill his daughter to collect on insurance may be making the hardest decision in his life, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop him.
[...]
Personal liberty is not unlimited. (! - from the mouth of a self described Libertarian)

This is where you begin to lose me and start creating the unfortunate impression of a ham actor that's taken on a role that's far beyond his abilities as a Thespian.

(further on again and you start to downward spiral)

And the immorality of murder is a non-factual philosophy. Almost nobody would argue the KKK should be allowed to lynch people because their philosophy says blacks are not morally equal.
[...]
Some pro-slavery people thought it should be left up to each white man to decide whether or not to own a slave based on his own moral compass

Lynching blacks and slavery are related to abortion how ?

[*] - And why the need to double up on "My Sister's Deconversion" ? 1, 2

Now this thread -

There seems to be a disproportionate number of atheists who think the prenate is not a person. Why do so many atheists think sapience is the definer of personhood? Is it because they see it as being a strictly religious viewpoint? Are pro-prenatal-personhood atheists worried about fitting in? Is it just a coincidence?

This is starting to sound like a broken record. What are you fishing for really ?

Your repetitious methodology is virtually identical to some other posters that have been showing up as of late. You obviously want us to say something that you want to hear. But we must be stupid, 'cos we just don't get it. Spit it out and tell us, what is it you really want ? Your arguments go nowhere, after each response, you just seem to reel your line in and re-bait the hook and throw it back in hoping for someone to say something that you want to hear.

The similarities don't end there - your profile has bugger all information, no picture, no group memberships, and of the 38 discussions posted, abortion is virtually the only topic you want to discuss - in particular, why we are apparently so pro-, and whether we are that way purely to spit on religion.

Enough of your prodding, probing and goading. I'm calling you out now - explain your line of inquiry, and provide us with some evidence that you are not yet another reincarnation of one of these axe grinding monomaniacs that think they can keep rephrasing the same crap at nauseum until you get someone here to really snap back at you.

Our tolerance is simply amazing, don't you think ?

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Permalink Reply by Christopher Peter Robinson on January 3, 2009 at 6:31pm

No, I never claimed to be a pro-abortion libertarian; I am an anti-abortion liberal. And Libertarians accept personal liberty within the non-agression axiom and property rights. Liberty does not include the right to murder or steal.

I understand the arguments for abortion, and understand that people form their own opinion. I just want to know why atheists disproportionately defend abortion.

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Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on January 4, 2009 at 7:10pm

Christopher Peter Robinson wrote on December 22, 2008 But I am a libertarian, not a utilitarian.

You're a nutjob with an agenda. You will lie to suit your purpose. You are beneath contempt.

http://tinyurl.com/6hogmq

Worth quoting again -

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~A pro-life, liberal atheist
Don't pray/fast. Take action.

"When you're right, you can never be too radical."-MLK
"... morality cannot be legislated, behavior can be regulated ... the law cannot change the heart ... it can restrain the heartless"-MLK

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Permalink Reply by Tedster on January 4, 2009 at 11:01pm

What Felch said.

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Permalink Reply by funk Q on January 4, 2009 at 10:25pm

CPR: I just want to know why atheists disproportionately defend abortion.

Where do you get the data that proves your assertion that atheists disproportionately defend abortion?

What number of atheists is proportional?

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Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on January 5, 2009 at 2:53pm

funk Q: Where do you get the data that proves your assertion that atheists disproportionately defend abortion?

Statistics are useful, but in the hands of liars, they are WMD's. Christopher is not above lying for a "just" cause. He just wants someone to snap and give him a quoteworthy quote. He'll keep going in circles until he does.

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Permalink Reply by funk Q on January 5, 2009 at 3:37pm

felch, I don't think there are statistics. He is playing the same game most fanatics play. He grabs an hypothesis and claims it as true - pure deceit.

I would like him to, at least, try to back up his outrageous accusation with something other than pure speculative drivel. So far all he has done is make unsubstantiated claims which seems to me he is trusting in faith and rejecting reason.

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Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on December 23, 2008 at 8:26am

This explains a lot - http://tinyurl.com/6hogmq

So Christopher, you spend an awful lot of time on http://www.prolifeamerica.com as -

Nulono
Executive Member
Posts: 519
Joined: 11/01/2008

It is interesting to note when going through your posts there, that an awful lot of what you've chosen to "enlighten" us with here in our forum is little more than copy'n'paste collage of your previous ravings on prolifeamerica. A lot was taken from the link above. Much, much more can be found under your profile's links to your other posts.

This has cleared things up - you are not here to "discuss" anything. You're here to preach. To stand on a soap box and shout everyone that disagrees with you down. Whatever your claim to atheism may be is irrelevant - one thing you are not is a freethinker. You are a fundamentalist preacher, your church is pro-life. Your sig provides a nice summary -

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~A pro-life, liberal atheist
Don't pray/fast. Take action.

"When you're right, you can never be too radical."-MLK
"... morality cannot be legislated, behavior can be regulated ... the law cannot change the heart ... it can restrain the heartless"-MLK
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Your not going to leave us alone are you ? How many other sites do you bespatter with your garbage ?

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Permalink Reply by mthoreau on January 9, 2009 at 4:23pm

Another troll successfully outted by felch grogan!

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Permalink Reply by LeaT on January 9, 2009 at 4:37pm

Maybe we should let Felch take over the mascot role instead of Kursty? :)

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Permalink Reply by Christopher Peter Robinson on January 17, 2009 at 11:10am

I see. So someone in a coma or someone who needs a pacemaker or dialysis machine isn't a person? A neonate cannot think; this is why Peter Singer defends infanticide up to one year.

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