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Permalink Reply by Mordekhai ben-Yosef on September 14, 2012 at 12:28pm

Didja ever notice that often people are no damn good?

Permalink Reply by damian on September 11, 2012 at 11:06pm

Can't vote for Romney or Obama. I'm going to vote 3rd party or not at all. I'm starting to lookup candidates. My first is Jill Stein. She is on the ballot in 40 states > http://www.jillstein.org/cnn_poll_shows_green_party_s_jill_stein_cl... .. Don't want to sit on the sidelines anymore. I think i can relate to Gary Johnson more. He's on the ballot in all states > http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chang on September 11, 2012 at 11:06pm

I'm divided on Ron Paul. On some issues, I find he's the only politician I could not agree with more. On some issues, I could not disagree with him more.

I don't even understand Romney's platform. I feel he's all over the place. First, he showed a glimmer of leadership when he reinstated that campaign adviser who turned out to be gay. He was right that people should be judged by their capacity and not private issues. But then he attacked Obama on a bunch of private issues, and now chose Paul Ryan as his VP -- and Paul Ryan is a guy I could not stand behind.

Obama, on the other hand, was supposed to be the level-minded guy, except now he's attacking Romney on a bunch of irrelevant issues like Bain. I consider Romney's stint with Bain a fair success despite all the negative spin. I also feel Obama was somewhat of a pushover; he tried too hard to take the high road and politics is anything but honorable.

So I don't know. If I had to choose, it would be Obama. But I frankly couldn't give a shit about any of these guys.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Wesner on September 11, 2012 at 11:41pm

I would seriously consider voting Green -- a friend is -- but I keep remembering the 2000 election and the Supreme Court.  The Obama of 2008 was the first Presidential candidate since Kennedy that I wanted to vote for, instead of just against the other guy.  But then Obama compromised all the way over to the Right, and adopted many of Bush II's worst policies.  I'll vote for him, but without enthusiasm.

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Permalink Reply by jay H on September 12, 2012 at 5:31pm

I will NOT vote for Romney OR Obama. Neither one of those clowns reflects me and I don't subscribe to the 'lesser of two evils' approach.

I will pick a third party candidate (Ron Paul would have been a potential) and vote that way. If I don't vote, it's merely apathy, if I do vote for one of the republicrats, they won by making me desperate. Voting for a third party is the best way of saying 'none of the above' and having my statement visible to the party bosses.

Best pragmatic outcome (of likely choices) is an Obama win, but Congress split right down the middle. Any time one party or another gets control, freedom is at stake.

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Permalink Reply by jay H on September 13, 2012 at 5:56am

"I would seriously consider voting Green -- a friend is -- but I keep remembering the 2000 election and the Supreme Court. "

And if you voted Green, that would have changed? What?

"But then Obama compromised all the way over to the Right, and adopted many of Bush II's worst policies."

So he sold you out, and you STILL are intimidated into voting for him. This is the kind of voter timidity that the party bosses count on (and apparently it works)

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Wesner on September 17, 2012 at 4:47pm

jay H, if you define "intimidated" as "far more scared of one outcome than the other," then yes.  And I fail to see how protest voting for a third party and thereby installing the far worse of the two evils accomplishes anything.  And I said "many" of the worst policies; by no means all.  Not enough difference, but some.

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Permalink Reply by Grinning Cat on September 13, 2012 at 11:07am

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79.

Anthony Kennedy is 76.

Stephen Breyer is 74.

Many important Supreme Court decisions in recent years have been 5-4. Replacing just one retiring justice could take the court dramatically backwards (as if Citizens United wasn't bad enough... it could get far worse. Goodbye, Roe v. Wade?).

I do not want to give Mitt Romney that power.

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Permalink Reply by Lillie on September 14, 2012 at 10:40am

Right on, Cat.  This is my biggest fear of a Romney takeover.

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Permalink Reply by Tammy S on September 14, 2012 at 2:05pm

Great point Cat. I had considered third party, but where does that vote go if they lose?

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Permalink Reply by Dr. Allan H. Clark on September 15, 2012 at 3:39pm

While I am concerned that Obama is too close to Wall Street with Geithner at Treasury and Larry Summers advising him on economic policies, I find Romney and Ryan so deceitful and wrong-headed that I can only vote for Obama. Much of what Obama has done is good and with a little more cooperation from the House Republicans, he could do even better.

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Permalink Reply by Jenn Wiffen on September 18, 2012 at 12:21pm

Obama! I can be uber cynical about him and everybody and thing dealing with the US government BUT I have to work with what we got, I feel by not doing anything is just a contribution to the unstabilization of the country. I worry about the very real idea of the US government collapsing, why should the US be any different/special then other countries? I want real answers not cop-outs.

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