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Which is the best ? Capitalism or Communism

From the time of Cold war the Capitalist's and communist's were contravene each-other.But whose Ideology and main motto of work is good.

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Permalink Reply by G on March 8, 2013 at 8:31am

Which is better ?

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Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on March 8, 2013 at 8:39am

He already explained that it depends on WHOM you are talking about. Or do you actually think that one would be universally better for all populations?

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Permalink Reply by G on March 8, 2013 at 10:35am

His comments annoys me

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Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on March 8, 2013 at 3:15pm

Why?

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Permalink Reply by EJN on March 8, 2013 at 3:41pm

Yeah why does his answer annoy you?

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Permalink Reply by G on March 8, 2013 at 8:20pm

I need straightforward answer

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Permalink Reply by Mathew T. on March 8, 2013 at 4:02pm

I'm also confused by what irritates you about this response, specifically because you lauded Napoleon for essentially saying the same thing, albeit somewhat more poetically.

As an aside, I think that's the right answer, but in my estimation, both systems enslave people eventually.

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chang on March 8, 2013 at 9:09pm

Actually, I don't understand this response either, since "for whom" is obvious in the context of the question, or in this forum even. If "Capitalism or Communism: Which is better?" is incomplete, then so must be "Atheism or Religion: Which is better?" or "Greed or Altruism: Which is better?" They all come down to values. If you can answer one without giving it a second thought, then "for whom" needs only be assumed using the same assumption of values you used in your answer to the other question.

In the other thread, you gave a clear stance against Calvinism in defense of the common man. I don't understand why you wouldn't make that same assumption here.

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on March 9, 2013 at 1:54am

Jonathan, Dr. Jekyl had Mr. Hyde.

I have Nitpicker and he's asking, "'For whom' is obvious? To whom?"

I've been in politics too long and distrust people's motives too much to let anyone get away with rhetorical questions like G's on economic systems and yours above.

Demagogues use rhetorical questions to exploit passions, not to explore issues.

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chang on March 9, 2013 at 2:44am

Nitpicker? Rhetorical? No offense, but neither. I didn't ask any questions. You made an assumption in one case where the issue was uncontested but you wouldn't make this same assumption on another case. That's inconsistency. That analogy comparing me or G to demagogues is invalid logic:

P1. Demagogues use rhetorical questions to exploit passions.

P2. You are using rhetorical questions.

C1. Therefore, you are exploiting passions.

I've only expressed confusion on your reservations. If you do not desire constructive discussion, then I have nothing further to say for now. Take it for how you wish...

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on March 10, 2013 at 2:00am

Jonathan, I delayed replying until I could check your logic.

First, you didn't ask any questions; you used questions to support your conclusion.

Second, your questions are not analogous to G's question.

1) Capitalism and communism are economic systems with vast amounts of objective data,

2) Atheism and religion are belief systems, one of one has no objective data, and

3) Greed and altruism? Altruism is both a practice and a school of thought. Greed?

To say they all come down to values is unsupported opinion and simplistic.

Third, reducing your syllogism to a Venn diagram reveals its errors.

1) Only P2 is valid.

2) Accepting its validity, then to succeed your

a) P1 would have to read "The only purpose of rhetorical questions is to exploit passions", and

b) C1 would have to read "Your purpose is to exploit passions."

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Permalink Reply by Madhukar Kulkarni on March 24, 2013 at 12:42pm

Tom Sarbeck is right, but nothing is totally best for any one. Many years before, when he was US ambassador to India, Charles Bowls had said that 'domesticated capitalism' can be good to India. We are actually experiencing it presently. Communism did not prove to be totally good for the communist countries and likewise, uncontrolled Capitalism too will be proved to be not totally good for America.