I live in a very religious town, so I hear this saying about 2 or 3 times every week, whether it be to me or someone near me. I usually don't respond when it is said to me, but what do you think a good response would be?
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Permalink Reply by John J Kelly on October 20, 2012 at 2:09pm Many (most?) people who would pass on that message are very nice well-meaning people. Just thank them for their thought.
Permalink Reply by Tonya Wynn on October 20, 2012 at 3:37pm Too bad. I love REASON! or Jesus, who's he? That Mexican who delivers my cHINESE TACKOUT ON HIS BIKE?
Permalink Reply by Philip Jackson Armstrong on October 20, 2012 at 5:57pm How about something like," I hate him... he will let me into heaven cause I believe, but not my gay son, or nonbeliever mother, or my brother that is discualified by Mathew 6:1-6 who brags about his righteousness, or my wealthy Republican friend that violates Mathew 7:1-2 and and judges the poor...
You get the idea.
Permalink Reply by Dr. Allan H. Clark on October 20, 2012 at 7:01pm Unquestionably the person who says this to you is guilty of discourtesy and may not even care that he is. Still, I think it's just as discourteous to respond rudely. Some probably mean well. I would save the snappy rejoinders for when they are needed.These days when so many are determined to exercise their second amendment rights, it's best to deal with these intrusions obliquely. A smile and a wink with an indulgent look might be the right response. It has the virtue of leaving the individual wondering what you meant.
Permalink Reply by Philip Jackson Armstrong on October 20, 2012 at 7:07pm They cannot learn without being told!
Permalink Reply by Dr. Allan H. Clark on October 20, 2012 at 7:16pm No question at all about that, but the first condition for learning is receptivity. People who say things like "Jesus loves you" believe they are teaching you and are in no mood to learn anything themselves.
I just don't think it is worth the effort to affront them and I seriously doubt that doing so will teach them anything. The "I'm only trying to teach you" mode of dealing with other people is usually fruitless in my experience.
Permalink Reply by Philip Jackson Armstrong on October 20, 2012 at 7:42pm I agree with you absolutely... but why should I take the position of being uncomfortable and not let them know that they are affronting me with their beliefs. Why should I suffer. What is so special about them that I have to try not to offend their sensibilities.
Permalink Reply by michele ricketts on October 20, 2012 at 8:00pm There was I in the midst of the film of life unfolding before my eyes and some dick-head interupts with an ad in my face?
Permalink Reply by Dr. Allan H. Clark on October 20, 2012 at 8:33pm >>Why should I suffer. What is so special about them that I have to try not to offend their sensibilities.
Nothing is special about them at all, nor should you suffer in the least. The best strategy for avoiding suffering is to just move away and move on. There isn't time in life to take on all things that need changing. Concentrate on the important ones and let the small things pass without comment is the easiest way in my view. Why waste time on those not yet ready to understand?
However, if it is genunely your goal to educate those who have offended you, then you definitely must avoid offending them. Once insulted the mind closes to new thoughts, erects a barrier against learning, and concentrates on proving itself right. You first have to make the other feel comfortable with being receptive to a new idea.
Permalink Reply by James Boring on October 20, 2012 at 9:33pm This is, a very modern word we live in, and yet some people don't even conceive that there could be atheists in it. There's nothing wrong with reminding them about that.
And honestly, civility is your choice. But civility is not necessarily an intellectual high road. Frankly its a bit too "blessed are the peacemakers" for my taste.
Permalink Reply by Dr. Allan H. Clark on October 20, 2012 at 10:15pm Yes, civility does seem to going out of fashion, but my point is simply one of psychology: confrontation creates a defensive attitude that inhibits understanding.
A Buddhist parable applies. Two monks encountered an old woman unable to ford a river. One picked her up and carried her across. The other berated him for hours: "You are not supposed to even touch a woman and you carried her across the river." At last the first monk replied: "I left that woman on the bank of the river. You are still carrying her."
The atheist who feels a need to affront believers at every turn is still carrying religion and has not yet left it behind.
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