I'm going to apologize in advance-- I'm not nearly as eloquent as many of you. I'm one of your younger, sillier Atheists. I hope though that you still give my ideas a chance. Who knows, maybe my directness will prove refreshing!

Chivalry has always baffled me. In my mind it generally equates to "Men repressing the asshole side of their personality so that you will bear their young". To others, it means, "Open the door for me, pussy." I've always felt like men sort of do that sort of thing because their parents have always told them they have to. Like church. But maybe I'm wrong?

There's this boy in my art class. He took one of my besties to prom. He happened to hear that I went to a feminist lecture and he laughed a light (but direct), condescending laugh... which I ignored because I'm so... feminine. A few days later, I walk into class, and it's the first period of the day so the chairs are all stacked on top of the desks. I go to take my chair down, and this kid immediately starts yelling and runs over, takes my chair, and sets it down. I yell at him, mostly joking, and I point to Joe, sitting across from me and ask why he had to steal my chair instead of Joe's.

Him: "Because Joe's a MAN!"
Me: "Haahh, so you stole my chair because I'm a woman?!?" <-- Thought I was joking
Him: "YES!! ...It's not a BAD thing..."
Me: *says nothing in utter shock*

I marvel at this boy's idea of the world. He's in for a good shot of disillusionment in college. I've heard men complain at how women will get mad if you open a door for them, and also get mad if you won't. I've never seen this happen, personally, I think it's mostly a paranoia.

This is a bit different. This is not anything groundbreaking or horrid, but it did make me think. It's the equivalent of stopping a girl from 20 feet back, pushing her away from the door, and then opening it for her. It doesn't make anyone's life any easier. Meanwhile, poor Joe may be carrying a stack of boxes, and no courtesy is shed upon him.

So what have I done to deserve the "respect" that is portrayed through the opening of doors, walking of home, and picking up of pencils? (Maybe I'm not accustomed. When I went to prom, and the door was opened, I would literally wait a second or two before realizing it was for me.)

It sounds nice enough on the surface, but really, I don't think my vagina qualifies me for anything special that we can't bestow upon men as well. I've never been a huge fan of the feminism where we treat women like men. Really, I think we should be treating men like women.

Tags: chair, chivalry, feminism, joe, men, stealing, women

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I agree with the philosophy: even the playing field and treat people well.

Although in my experience, men either make a point of opening the door... or generally rush in front of you and let it close behind them, which is something I rarely get from females. I think they teach guys to open doors on dates and shit, so I guess they associate it with courtship rituals and not to real, everyday life? I think a lot of this is just high school culture though.
Weird. I hold doors open and give up seats because it's a nice thing to do for other people.

It costs me literally nothing and it might make someone a little happier -- why not do it?
I see I have come across this discussion a tad late, but I'm quite glad I did, as your closing statement is truly special:

"I've never been a huge fan of the feminism where we treat women like men. Really, I think we should be treating men like women."

Great quote, Jezzy.
I sincerely hope that no woman ever buys me flowers.
Hey, you think I like people touching my feet?

Flowers I like though. They're sex organs *giggle*.
That's what makes the art of Georgia O'Keefe so exciting.
well, some people like myself like being nice, dependant of my mood ofcourse, so all the things i do to be nice or generally linked with chivalry are linked strongly to my mood, if i have nothing against that person i will do that person basic courtesy and open doors if they have their hands full or are in a hurry, if i am in a generous or good mood i will go out of my way to be nice, it feels good to be honest ^^

and some people really do enjoy being generally nice and treat people on an equal footing, i do not care if that person is male or female, but i cannot say myself completely without a tendency to be extra nice or extra courteous or more often nice to women, i cant help it. sue me

(also i realise im a bit late :D )
How many Feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
...
Trick question! Feminists can't change anything.
I think I could change your genitals into a paperweight... >_>
Genital mutilation is feminist, too!
No it's not. Know why? Because I say it's not.
I am simultaneously confused and completely convinced by your logic.

I wonder how many other issues can work that way, too? My sister always says I eat too many of the crackers and cream cheese...

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