I start a new thread as a reaction to MADHUKAR KULKARNI's claim, that India were a secular coutnry.
I consider a country as secular, when
The number of secular citizens does not make a country secular.
I am not sure, if there is any fully secular country on earth.
Germany is not a secular country. As an example, shops are closed on Sundays by law for religious reasons.
India is not a secular country.
- Cows causing traffic chaos are not removed, because they are considered as sacred.
- Astrology is taught in universities.
- People are allowed to bathe in the sewage water of the river Ganges and spread diseases, because the bath in the water is an expression of a religious.
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Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on January 12, 2012 at 8:15am Yeah, mine kinda does as well.
Permalink Reply by Madhukar Kulkarni on January 12, 2012 at 9:25am Assuming that my country is not perfect in every way, does it become necessary that I should acept Maruli's prejudices? Or your's?
Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on January 12, 2012 at 2:56pm What prejudices does she or I have? The fact that we know that the Ganges River is polluted? Considering I have not made a comment about India at all, just how you seem to defend it zealously, what prejudices do you think I have?
Permalink Reply by Madhukar Kulkarni on January 12, 2012 at 10:42pm I do not understand why you can't see what is obvious. If Maruli wanted to start a discussion, she could have done so without involving my name or without making any remarks about India. If you read her original post, it clearly looks like saying "Look, this what is India and still Madhukr is saying it is secular". She had no business doing this, yet she has done this. This shows prejudice. If you do not see something that is so open, what else can I say about you?
Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on January 13, 2012 at 8:59am How dare she mention that this stems from a discussion with you. How dare she have an opinion about India. You have not shown any evidence to dispute what she is saying. All you have done is name-call because you do not like what is being said. Now tell me again, how is this prejudice? Give us a reason why what she says isn't true?
Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on January 13, 2012 at 9:18am You didn't only name call, I don't know why I said that, but you didn't give any evidence that what she says is wrong. I think the only point you even tried to give evidence for is Astrology being taught at universities.
Permalink Reply by Madhukar Kulkarni on January 13, 2012 at 9:21am You have so many things to say but you do not note that she should not have mentioned my name and be specific about India. I have asked a question 'Why she can not start a new post on secularism without mentioning both. Is secularism inclusive of Madhukar Kulkarni? You sidestep such important questions.
Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on January 13, 2012 at 9:38am Did you actually read what I wrote or did you not understand it? This discussion started as a response TO YOU and YOUR CLAIM that India is a secular country. How is that inclusive? She used your response as a segue to talking about secularism.
Permalink Reply by Madhukar Kulkarni on January 13, 2012 at 9:58am I am asking you the same question. Why she could not start a general discussion on secularism and what reason she had to specially include others? My name should not have been used in this context is what I am saying repeatedly. Susan, you are unwilling to see my view point. What and How can I explain you? Maruli knew very well that the way she is using my name is very uncomplimentary. She is not a small kid not to understand this.
Permalink Reply by Rudy V Kiist on January 13, 2012 at 10:52am Not sure if I should be throwing in my 2 cents, Madhukar, as you seem kinda overly sensitive about all this, but I'm pretty sure you're the only one who sees this whole thing as an attack on your country or yourself personally.
Me personally, I welcome criticism of my country (even on myself), for it is the only way one can change things to the better. She never name called. She brought up things she saw as facts. If they're not facts, bring up points to contradict them...don't take them personally. And if you do see them as facts too, but don't think it's a major issue than say so. It's like if someone told me they wouldn't want to live where I do, because it gets down to 40 below zero and exposed flesh can freeze solid in under a minute, I'd say, "yes it's true, but I don't mind. I still love where I live!"
So relax...
Permalink Reply by Maruli Marulaki on January 13, 2012 at 2:50pm Thanks to everybody, who has been talking on my behalf. I did and do not like this to get antagonistic. So with a bit of regret I will censor myself and not mention India again. Christianity does damage to people, so does Islam and many people on AN agree. But the subtle and indirect damage done by the beliefs of Hinduism certainly would also deserve a thread. But it is impossible to talk about Hinduism without talking about India.
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