Has anyone here every thought about what if there happened to be a god. It doesn't really matter what god or what religion just if there is one. When you die what do you think they/him/her would say and how you would react? If they were a god that passed judgment, do you think that they would understand your reasons for not believing and forgive you or would they punish you without question?

I was raised Christian and while I don't believe anything they say, the above still crosses my mind quite often. I'm a musician and I get a lot of gigs playing for church services, especially around Christmas and Easter. It's hard not to listen to the sermon and try to understand their way of thinking during these times and these questions always pop into my mind during and after the service.

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What you describe, of course, is simply agnosticism.
All of these people, praying, singing and all their other sundry activities, it's difficult to be so sure that they're all wrong.
Have you experienced anything to suggest that they aren't?
There is, in the realm of human thinking, no such thing as absolute certainty. It is the nature of our minds, not the fault of the universe. It is senseless to deny that. Absolute knowledge is the alleged sine qua non of deity, thinking we can possess it is referred to by true believers as hubris. If that is the case, then they are guilty of the same sin. At which point, some of them consider self-flagellation as a reasonable option.
Seriously. There are idiots that do that.

Theology should have been the first deadly sin.
And on and on it goes, the same pointless word games in a ridiculous attempt to prove the existence of absolute knowledge or whatever the hell it is they want to prove that day.
I would define an atheist as someone who has decided that that mode of thinking is irrelevant.
Or, to put it rather polemically: reservations are for dinner, not the philosophical foundation of one's life.
I could go into a discussion of "secular humanism" at this point, but it's too early in the morning and would probably upset my stomach.
I am not surprised that this question is still open and debated. The answer from most however is in the first line of the second paragraph "I was raised Christian ..." that pretty much closes the door on how far this apple is going to fall from the tree.

However I have an alternate hypothesis that I would like to propose to any God question seeker.

If there is a God then it must be all powerful and if that is so, then a basic principle of all powerful must exist. I think that it is that God can talk to all of us at the same time and also make listen. Observe that I am not saying obey. Now to people who do not accept this basis I propose to suggest a more powerful theory or else their God definition is less powerful than mine and by just pure logic their God is less powerful than mine which means their's is not really a God alone and there must be more than one, even in that case I am proposing a more powerful God. Although there can be finer discussions, I just plan to stick to two points about God
--> Inform all of us at the same time
--> Make us all listen to whatever it has to say.

Now if that is accepted, I further propose that one such God that we have seen till today, the Sun. It can show the light to all of us at the same time and there is no doubt even on a cloudy day that night has ended and I believe that this is all that needs to be told, "It is Day". Therefore in a 24 hour period on earth if you can at at least at one time tell that it is day because of the Sunlight then the definition is met, as you know at that point there is day, the total length and all else is not in consideration.

Now I finally propose that Sun is the God because if this was not so we could take the Sun out of God's definition and we still have everything else the same ( something more powerful OR legitimate alternative). However life tells us that it is not so and that taking just Sun out of our life's equation wipes out life itself on earth. Therefore if there is a God more powerful than Sun then that God's facet is Sun for us. With extension then Sun is the God.

A different principal that I also believe in which is not as scientific is "Divine Neutrality". Our Sun also has this property irrespective of what all in form of life exists on earth the good or bad treatment of Sun goes to all. Now if Sun is Neutral as we have experienced in life and along the ages it must be that God is neutral too.
The God part of our lives can not be bigger than the influence of Sun on our lives, that said, that Sun is neutral so do we need to pray to the Sun?

I think that if praying is not having an effect and I personally do not know anything that actually has an effect on the Sun I think for argument sake "watching porn" is a better use of one's time than praying.
The final conclusion I wish to state is that irrespective of what people believe if one obeys the rules of the law and some of the society with individual exceptions life is as Godly as of any other person or "God" of a popular religion.
What did the doctors give you: I want some.
And in a similar vein, take a look at this>.
I would kick him in the ass. Well, depend on how much disrepancy between actual God and bible God, of course. But if it is indeed bible God, I'll switch to Maltheist and rebel.
I think that Richard Dawkins answered this question by posing another - What if Zeus or any of the other archaic gods were real? Once you consider this you can no longer take the question seriously.
You're absolutely right.
And thanks for reminding us of this bit of brilliant logic.
Or, as Homer Simpson put it, "But Marge, what if we're going to the wrong church? Every week we're just making God madder and madder!"
Richard Dawkins, although brilliant, often ducks questions by supplying rote and/or
circuitous answers. This is one such example. The question is "What if there is a god?".

Saying "there is not a god" is not responsive.
I suggest that one should not worship anything or anyone, including their teachers and heros. Dawkins is certainly admirable, but accepting his pronouncements as facts is not, in fact it's directly opposed to his teachings.
Refusing to respond to a question is legitimate - unless one has announced that they are open to questions. In that situation, a more honest response would be "I don't wish to respond to that question".

So, What if Zeus is real? Are we all damned? Maybe Zeus just doesn't care one way or the other? Maybe Zeus has been occupied in fighting for supremacy with Baal, and having just won, is turning his attention to us!!! Then what?

I look at it this way. The probability of a god existing seems very small to me yet I know that many seemingly smart and successful people believe that a god does exist. So, perhaps I'm simply wrong. Either they are mistaken or I am. Am I smarter then they, or somehow more attuned to reality? I think I am but they may disagree. Perhaps they are right? I have decided for myself that the probability of me being wrong and them being correct, multiplied by the cost of me behaving as a religious person does, is non-productive. I think that probability is vanishingly small and the cost of religion is quite high, so I'm not very concerned about acting atheistically.

Regards,
GaryB
I don't think Dawkins' answer is circuitous at all. It is a rather straight forward response, designed to point out the absurdity of the question, when viewed from one step back.

And, rather than hold himself out as the measure of all things, he has placing the onus on the questioner, to first enlightened him as to what it is, in the questioner's mind, that would presuppose the existence of one god, over the another? (thereby forcing the questioner to confront the obvious answer for themselves.)
If there is a god, then there is a god. What of it? It's like asking "What if I am the only being in the universe and everything and everyone I experience is a part of my imagination?" Well, then it is. I can only go about my life as the evidence dictates I should, and evidence indicates that there other beings.

No god or gods have made their existence known, so I can only live my life as I do--by following the dictates of rational thinking.
First off, stuff like "the question is irrelevant because there is no god" is, well, pretty fucking appalling in a community of so-called freethinkers.

But on to the point:

If the existence of A god of some sort ever became a fact, anyone in its right mind is expected to acknowledge it and adapt, why not? I'm well ready to, if the idea ever makes real sense, if anything substantial shows up. Now, say the catholic-like god himself shows up in all his infinitesimal minuscule chance of existing. Then, my friend, we would have a hard time "adapting", aka "burning in hell".

If the personified, male, Abrahamic ,god exists. You know, the tyrannical, sadistic god that gets really snappy when people don't believe his existence, then ,for starters, I and everyone in this network would be all very, very, VERY fucked, beyond any stretch of imagination! rofl
And obviously, we would be all burning in hell before we ask any questions when he decides to do his little apocalypse thing. And worse, all the holier-than-thou ultra-religious fucks and even the average bigot cunts we met throughout our lives would be laughing at our faces saying "I told you so, it's the apocalypse! Burn in hell, atheist! But we love you!". They would not only be right, but they'd be getting special favors from their demented old testament god of theirs. The pessimistic voice in my head would finally have no obstacle to reign free "Well, Bruno, ironically, after a life of trying to be a good and fair person, you found out, against all fuckin odds, you were actually created by a giant humanlike all-powerful, all-knowing, all-douchebag entity that represents everything you ever fought against. He went on a vacation and now he's back - no explanations - to kill your ass and basically fuck you for all eternity because you didn't have any decent way to know he even existed. Like that was any reason to get all vengeful monster on you. No wonder why all things just and reasonable seem to always end up crushed in the clutches of despotic assholes in our little world. It's the way of HIS universe."
And those would be my last thoughts before eternal damnation. Fade out.

Fuckin dramatic, eh? So, yeah, I guess that would suck. But luckily the odds seems to be waaaaaay on our favor :P

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