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Also, according to the bible, God does not respect us. So how can God love us, yet not respect us? Respect comes before love, so if God doesn't respect me, then his love is meaningless. Anyhoo, good call Crystal.

For me, strong evidence of a creative intelligence outside what I understand as nature would change quite a lot. If such were proven, I would have to re-order my understanding of reality from the floor up -- whether there actually are absolutes and all that implies for concepts of morality, etc. I would have to try understanding reality from a dualistic viewpoint once again (I tried this in the '60s with large doses of LSD washed down with sips of quantum mechanics, and am not eager for another round of that cocktail). I would be deeply skeptical of course, and can only hope that I would be able to yield my deeply held assumptions in the face of fact. I'm not sure that I could. Like a theist, I have much of my identity invested in what I think is real and so would resist accepting a wholesale turnover of the entire thing. Aside from the unease of finding myself in unfamiliar terrain without what I had presumed a reliable map, it's just a lot of work for a tired old man.

That's my reaction on a personal level, and maybe some of it can be extrapolated to experience of human societies. What would it mean to the universe as a whole if it was consciously created rather than just happened? Moot question best answered by a tautology -- it is what it is.



"What would it mean to the universe as a whole if it was consciously created rather than just happened"

It would be scary to know that the all powerful, super maniacal, psychopath as depicted in the “Good” book was loose in the universe. My first thought would be, “is there a way we can kill the asshole?”

Scientific evidence and conceptualization of "god" are simply disjoint.  Science can only prove physical things, things inside observable or mathematically derivable nature.  By definition, none of these things is relevant attributes of what is meant by "god".  At best, science could find contradictions in our present foundational understanding of nature, and the resulting loss of explanatory power would lead some people to throw up their arms with the exclamation, "If science can't figure it out, then the only possible explanation is that god did it!"

Now here's a different question.  What would happen to you if you're walking alone in the meadow, and suddenly a bright light appears, with a projection that looks like Jesus (or any other canonical religious figure - pick your favorite)?  How would you react?  Personally I would be deeply surprised, and would suspect self-delusion or some trick of which I'm the unfortunate victim.  But if, for the sake of argument, I had some cause to take the apparition seriously, well then.... I would have a long, long list of questions to ask!

I agree with Loren.

However this is not a dumb question.Methinks some members were dumb.

True that.

Is atheists were believe in Science ?

Albeit god's nothingness is proved by Science. 

I was a pentecostal christian for 20 years. with the love, adoration, fear and respect for god that comes with all of that, but now my views have changed slightly.

I have this comical scenario in my mind that if the theist God is real, and we somehow discover him through the new instruments and means we will develop in the future decades and centuries, we'll just be walking in on him in the lounge-room, with him just hanging out in a pink dressing gown, flicking channels on TV, looking for something to do. And after an awkward silence (sort of like your parents busting you watching porn on the family computer) we'll have that rage-snap conversation with him that all of us former theists have thought about before......"WHY IS THE WORLD SO FUCKED UP WHILE YOU SIT ON YOUR ASS AND DO NOTHING??!!

Either that or his omniscience will cause him to see it coming and he'll hide the bong and book it out of there...




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