The weekend's Indiana-Illinois tornado crime spree had a lot of TV news anchors blabbing about one cell phone videographer's last-second images of the twisters setting down accompanied by his recitation of "The Lord's Prayer." What are they suggesting, that the fellow was spared of life or limb through recitation of an invocation of a higher power? All non-believers know two things about such undertakings. First, they're the ultimate in selfishness since, if "God" spares the person praying, the Old Boy will simply pass him by and prey on someone else. Second, prayer does not work. The spared person thinks it does, but he's fallen victim to irrationality and in particular the fallacy of post hoc reasoning. (Maybe the wind suddenly shifted, maybe the tornado had a lull, maybe the placement of structures in its path were such that the place was spared). In any event, had the tornado ignored the prayer and struck the person praying, he or his surviving family would be heard to say that "God works in mysterious ways" or, to quote the obituary pages, "God took father to be with Him in Heaven."  It never occurs to such people that a good, omnipotent God would not kill Dad in the first place.

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I saw this on our news & am beyond words!!!

This is the video with the praying tornado witness.  When I saw it earlier today, the first thing that came to my mind was......how stupid this guy is for standing in front of a window watching this happen.  I would have been in a basement or in the bathtub covered with pillows and cushions.  That's a wild, horrible-looking tornado.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/11/18/tornadoes-leave-nothing-but...

(1)  Where is Cindy Jacobs when we need her?

(2)  What can you expect.  Illinois just enshrined nonbiblical "marriage" into law.  Could god have made himself more clear?

She's right here: www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/cindy-jacobs

I saw that clip this morning and it was all I could do not to either vomit or shout out, "WHAT GOD, you specious twit?"

I really want to know when that day arrives when people realize that there is no god, that nature doesn't give a good damn about anything or anyone within its sphere, that shit happens ... daily ... simply because it can, and that the only thing that can change the world for the better, can prevent disaster and enhance our lives IS US.

Ironically -- I love the word -- the biggest climate deniers are evangelicals. They refuse to believe that there is such a thing because "God would not do that to his creation." I am reminded of the old saw among criminal defense lawyers, mainly prosecutors, pooh-poohing the defensive theory by illustration. A man is charged with keeping a vicious dog. A neighbor brought charges claiming that the dog got out of the yard and bit him. The owner of the dog defends by saying the dog was not only chained but locked in a fenced back yard. He claims that it could not have gotten out. "If Fido pulled loose from the chain, he couldn't have gotten out of the locked fence, and if we left the fence unlocked, he wouldn't have bit anyone, especially you. And if he did bite you you taunted him...." The denial evangelicals claim that even if there is such a thing as climate change it is not man-made. And even if it is man-made, &c.

Some scientists took a group of evangelical preachers to northern-most Alaska by plane.and showed them how the permafrost is melting. All the preachers but one left convinced that the situation was merely cyclical and that the earth has gone through such phases before; they refused to acknowledge that the tundra was being destroyed by man, reasoning that God would not allow man to do such a thing. One preacher, who just happened to be African-American, left believing the scientists were onto something.

Is it any coincidence that most man-made climate change deniers are also conservatives and that much of their campaign funding comes from, e.g. the Koch Brothers? I don't think so. When you get ignoramuses like Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann in congress, you are bound to get legislators who would rather make money than save the planet. Is it any coincidence that such congresspeople tend to be evangelicals? As Hitchens pointed out, religion poisons everything -- including the debate on climate change. I believe all of these tornadoes, hurricanes, and typhoons -- including Haiyan in the Philippines -- are not "normal" and that they're symptomatic of the effect of greenhouse gasses.  Is it any coincidence that the Republican platform in the last presidential election called for an end to the teaching of "critical thinking" in our schools?

Yes, those lovely tornadoes. Jesus protected me because I sit in his lap. I do more to prove I'm a christian than anybody, and I give a lot of money too. That's why I prayed and thanked god for the protection. Those others that had all their property destroyed, they somehow offended god and pissed Jesus off. I was right there doing the cheering when he laughed and destroyed their stuff. It was more fun that a video game. I'm safe though because I do a lot of good things for Jesus and he knows it too.

Does the above sound childish and idiotic to you? It comes close to modern religious thinking. Take it all the way back to the bronze age and it makes more sense.

I realize my POV is not disciplined and that any report or allegation I may make here is purely anecdotal in basis.  That said:

Is it me, or is this happening WAY MORE OFTEN?  Alabama, then Moore, Oklahoma, next: Washington, Illinois, not to mention the typhoon that hammered the Philippines with 190-mph winds.  Anyone ever hear of a large-scale meteorological event with winds that high before?  Not moi!  I mean, I remember Xenia, Ohio and Homewood, Florida (which was Hurricane Andrew, stipulated) and some other incidents over the years, but it occurs to me that the shit is hitting the fan with considerably greater frequency lately.

Now ... to borrow from that erudite physician and philosopher, Leonard H. McCoy, "I'm an engineer, not a meteorologist," but would it be awkward of me at this point to mention Climate Change?!?  I mean, just a little???

Loren, I used to be a climate change skeptic but not any more. You are right. It is happening more often and we used to hear of "tornado season" but that doesn't appear to be it today. Anything can happen at anytime weatherwise.

Furthermore, I started studying antennas and building them also in 2009 when TV signals OTA went digital. The signal travels in the ionosphere which used to be more stable. This year of 2013 has brought about changes in that system. Ozone hole could be one thing, but a slight tilt of the earths axis could bring changes also.

Weather in my area of Missouri has changed and is not predictable or holding up to expected weather patterns from past years. This also brings about great change in the type and amount of insects seen outside in the summer. The last 2 years was much fewer insects, and SOMETHING is indeed going on here.

There was a report this a.m. on GMA quoting meteorologists and showing a chart of tornadoes in the past four or five years and concluding we are actually behind previous years in the number of twisters recorded. I would suggest that, like the number of hurricanes -- we had few serious ones this last summer -- the number doesn't tell the tale. It is the severity. Haiyan was the worst typhoon in recorded history. I doubt we ever had a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico as bad as Katrina. The kind of stats reported on GMA allow the CCD'S (climate change deniers) to go on blabbing about cyclical phenomena, how history has had previous "bad" periods with these phenomena being more serious than usual, &c. Sad.

We don't have the serious extremes here in the middle of BC Canada......yet.....but we used to have very cold, snowy, winters with a minimum of 6 weeks of -30*C or more, & winter was pretty much from the end of October until March. Now in recent years we may have a few days of the -30*C haphazardly, but most years now don't get that low. We have years now where December is green & we get rain in January. Winter is still about the same length, but much warmer than 20 years ago. Climate change?????......oh yeah!

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