WAIT Abstinence Program

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Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on March 30, 2010 at 6:51am

Back in late February, Connie Schultz of the Cleveland Plain Dealer (Cleveland's local newspaper) reported on a meeting of the Parma School board involving two high school students who challenged their school's policy of abstinence-only sex education. I reported on that on another discussion forum here, and would be pleased to duplicate it in A|N if there is interest.

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Permalink Reply by The Nerd on March 30, 2010 at 9:33am

Start asking lots of questions in class that are loaded with statistics, so that the other students get some sense in them. Such as "what about the fact that condoms are over 90% effective against pregnancy and all forms of STDs?" And if they say that HIV can pass through the condom, tell them that only applies to lambskin, not latex condoms. http:/www.ripnroll.com/educate.htm

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Permalink Reply by Becca on March 30, 2010 at 9:37am

The program I was in back in high school wasn't quite as bad as yours sounds. They didn't tell us contraceptives were bad but they definitely toed the line by overemphasizing the failure rates of contraceptives and not mentioning that some such as pills have high failure rates because people aren't taking them right or using back up methods of birth control. Middle school was even worse most of my peers were running around with 'abstinence pledge' buttons on their shirts. Do what I did and every time the teacher says something you know is wrong raise your hand and tell them the correct information. Also I printed out studies I'd found online to back me up and brought them in the next day.

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Permalink Reply by Garrick McElroy on March 30, 2010 at 9:41am

I don't think I said what I meant right, lol. It was more like "Don't use condoms, they don't work." It was more of the way he said it that kind of pissed me off. He just kind of sounded like he thought he was right. And they also said that married couples have the "best and most sex".

I changed it to be closer to what he really said.

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Permalink Reply by Pirate Bard on March 30, 2010 at 10:18am

I would say either fight it entirely (as in demand more than just abstinence only education), or educate yourself and go prepared to ask the hard questions as others have mentioned above.
As for married couples having the "best and most sex." That's entirely a matter of opinion, nothing more. There are absolutely no statistics to back that claim, and I'd say ask them to provide statistics any time they venture into the realm of moralistic opinion (which is exactly what that is). Even better, ask them to define "best." After all, quantity does not always equal quality, and quality when it comes to sex is also a matter of opinion and personal preference.

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Permalink Reply by The Nerd on March 30, 2010 at 11:32am

OK, I will grant that people who have been together longer have better sex, generally speaking, because they've had more practice. Plus, if you live with someone, you get more opportunities to have frequent sex. But what does that have to do with abstinence? That's like saying "buffets have the best and most food". So don't eat unless you're at a buffet? Sorry, gotta starve!

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Permalink Reply by Pirate Bard on March 30, 2010 at 2:05pm

Agreed, but I (and I'm sure others) know married couples who rarely ever have sex at all, and/or one or both partners complain about the quality when they do. Opportunity doesn't necessarily mean action.

I do agree with your comparison to buffets though. It is a ridiculous proposition to teach ONLY that and nothing else.

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Permalink Reply by Garrick McElroy on March 30, 2010 at 2:43pm

I think they can say best because of the same reasons that advertisers can. Since there's no way to define the "best" sex, it's all equal. If it's all equal, you can call any of it the best, and that means that the rest of it is, too. They just can't say the word "better", because that would imply superiority.

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Permalink Reply by Gary Burk on May 10, 2010 at 11:08pm

Nerd, I must disagree here. The best sex is clearly the first sex. Sex is one of the few activities that degrades with practice. I've heard this is called "the Hoover Effect".
The story goes that President and Mrs.Hoover were being given a tour of one of the early industrialized chicken farms. They were walking with separate tour guides and groups of reporters. When she asked about the relatively few roosters she was told that a single rooster serviced a large number of hens. Presumably tongue-in-cheek, she asked a runner to go to the President's group and tell him that. The runner soon returned with Hoover's reply "They're all different hens".

Among superficial young men, this same effect was referred to as "Strange".
Somewhere, perhaps deep in the male reptilian brain, "Getting some Strange" is a powerful inducement.

. . . or so I've been told.

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Permalink Reply by Jezzy on April 14, 2010 at 9:41pm

It's so common here for girls to wait until marriage that the story is: they either suddenly realize sex is awesome, or their husband sucks in bed and they don't understand the big deal behind it.

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Permalink Reply by Becca on March 30, 2010 at 8:58pm

Your teacher is right married couples (or ones in long term committed relationships) do have better sex and more frequent sex. Think about it for a moment who is going to have more sex a person who has a sex partner available on a daily basis or a person who isn't in a relationship and doesn't have a sex partner available on a daily basis? Who is going to have better sex? The person who is self conscious and doesn't know their sex partner very well or a person who is comfortable with their sex partner, their partner knows what they like and cares if they are enjoying it. None of this of course means you have to or should wait until marriage to have sex it and it doesn't mean you can't enjoy sex when your not in a relationship it just means statistically speaking and logically speaking people who are committed to each other for the long term are on average having better and more sex than people who are not in long term committed relationships.

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Permalink Reply by Prog Rock Girl on March 30, 2010 at 9:45pm

There are good things about a long term partner, like feeling comfortable. Having a new partner is exciting, and a person can feel self-conscious, but people sometimes also have lower inhibitions with someone they don't know so well. When I was single my sex life wasn't so great. It was mostly hard to meet people and I met some real losers and was more insecure and couldn't manage to keep a relationship.

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