I know this might not come as a shock to many here but, I thought I would share it anyway. I have been operating as an Atheist with the understanding that ALL people have the ability to drop the shackles of their belief system. I thought they where just misguided. I felt if a person was provided enough evidence to totally dismantle their belief in a positive discussion with NO aggression they would drop it and start thinking for themselves. Well.....I was wrong.

I actually have a court date now because of it. The guy actually tried to beat me up after I proved him wrong on every point he tried to make and he was unable to answer even ONE of my questions. They funny thing is that it was almost 4 hours later when he attempted to assault me. I'm not mad at the guy I just really don't understand.

I didn't even ask for the debate. I was at work. He came to me asking questions about god, satan, ghosts, even aliens. I simply answered them. While the conversation was taking place every other employee including management got involved and started asking me questions. Mind you, I live in the bible belt. For someone to say the things I am saying is unheard of.

He was not the only one to try to "stump the Atheist." The others asked questions as well. After the conversation was over two people had changed their minds! YAY ATHEISM!! I think about 8 have really strong doubts about their religion but aren't ready to take that leap. But the one guy just walked off quietly. Didn't say a word about it the rest of the day. He talked to me like normal for the rest of the work day.

When we got off he waited for me in the parking lot. He approached me and asked if I thought it was funny to bring his coworkers to hell with me. I was about to respond when he swung at me. I was trained by the military so the altercation didn't last long. I called an ambulance to come pick him up and stayed to speak to the police department. Now I'm going to court. WTF?!?!?!? lol Oh well, I live by a saying I learned in the Army. Stand for something or fall for anything.

The Update for easier reading.....



Ok so here's what happened. I know I kinda spoiled it but, I knew a lot of you where on the edge of you seat trying wanting to know how the courts would deal with it. Basically the judge told him "EVEN THOUGH this man doesn't believe in Christ he was able to act with more morality than you are even capable of understanding. You are a menace and uncontrollable. Your actions have put a bad name not only on yourself but, on all people who believe as you do. You ought to be ashamed and I hope when you go to your probation violation hearing the state picks this case up and runs with it to the fullest extent of the law."

You like that? "EVEN THOUGH"?? As if we are incapable of being moral by the "Christian" standard. In my opinion he acted better than Christians did during the Inquisition. He addressed me "Mr. 'A' (I don't wanna use my real last name) I apologize for this inconvenience and the court will not take any more of your time. You are free to leave unless you have anything to add?" So I calmly said "Your honor, the only thing that I would ask is that you put yourself in his position. The man lost his job, the use of his arm, his pride, and now quite possibly his freedom. I understand he broke the law...however I broke his arm. I know this is not a carnal society as in the days of the Inquisition (yes I said it) but I feel like he has had his punishment. The only thing I would like to stress to this court is that we Atheists DO have morality however, to our advantage, it's NOT God given. Therefore we can and DO alter it to fit the situation. This man only acted as every Christian in the past acted when their beliefs where put through the scrutiny of science. I don't fault him. I fault society. That is all I have to say."

At this, the judge recommended some ridiculously large amount of community service and that he write a formal apology which I declined to accept. I signed a form before I left the court that said he apologized and left it at that.

Now Bring on the Church debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The later update.....


First and foremost I wanna thank EVERYONE for the support. You guys are still AMAZING!!!!!!!

I spoke with the pastor today. He claims that it's just standard b.s. He said that we wants an open format and to allow audience questions. I asked him what kind of "standard" b.s. he was referring to. His response was "oh, you know things like no cussing and the like." I told him we could just go on good faith that I would refrain from things like that to which he said "I thought Atheists had NO faith?" Good point. He laughed and I told him that he would have to make sure to give me this arrangement no later than Wednesday seeing as he wants me at church on Sunday. He agreed that he would have it done earlier than that. I asked him who I would be debating and he said that he had MANY volunteers but, was "told by God" he should be the one to do it......the phrase "Why hast thou forsaken me?" came to mind but, I resisted the urge.

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GREAT POINT!!! LMAO
"Common sense isn't!

-- Robert A. Heinlein
lol
love that quote!

never knew who it was by though
I had a fundamental minister explain to me why it is OK to "LIE for Jesus" and that it was sanctioned by God. This indicates that their religion is so weak it needs lies to support it. Well, this is true. Christianity cannot survive without Hatred, Intolerance and the LIE. Looks like the criminal assault stemmed from the Anger/Hatred and Intolerance...the LIE will be his testimony in the courtroom...mark my word.
mojo5501: I want to hear how the legal system views this sort of thing in the Bible Belt region: Self protection v Free Speech. I'm concerned that they'll say your behavior wasn't appropriate for the work setting (your speech) versus HIS action out in the parking lot (his aggressive behavior).

Depends whether or not James' workplace has a contract or any concrete rules about discussing religion at work. The First Amendment guarantee of free speech has nothing to do with the workplace. It only means the government can't make it illegal to say X; doesn't mean you can't get fired from your job for saying X.

From the description here though, the Theist started the discussion, James only answered questions asked by others (rather than instigating the discussion), and it was the coworker who laid in wait after work and threw the first punch. So far, I'd say James' legal case is rock solid.
I'd say James' legal case is rock solid.

I would like to think so. But justice is not always blind. I'm very interested in how it turns out.
I'll keep you all updated. As I said before, no charges are being filled against me and I'm not pressing them on him. It's totally up to the DA to pick up the case on him. I'm fine!!
Heavy... thinkin a good thought for you. I don't know about where you are, but the likelyhood of the folks in power being xtian is waaaaay strong here. Difficult to get a fair trial if so.
I live in Mississippi. I'm about 5 miles outside of Memphis Tn on the border on Ms and Tn. They still have places around here with "colored only" signs for and I quote "sentimental value" It's nuts. That's part of the reason I'm not worried. He is black. I'm not racist but he is black. I'm half white and half mexican. So chances are he will get locked up for a while.
lol wow. how messed up. why the hell do you live there? family?

it would drive me insane!!! I technically live in the bible belt, but im on a college campus, so it's more balanced.
Family moved here while I was in Iraq. I miss Houston :(

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