I know this might not come as a shock to many here but, I thought I would share it anyway. I have been operating as an Atheist with the understanding that ALL people have the ability to drop the shackles of their belief system. I thought they where just misguided. I felt if a person was provided enough evidence to totally dismantle their belief in a positive discussion with NO aggression they would drop it and start thinking for themselves. Well.....I was wrong.

I actually have a court date now because of it. The guy actually tried to beat me up after I proved him wrong on every point he tried to make and he was unable to answer even ONE of my questions. They funny thing is that it was almost 4 hours later when he attempted to assault me. I'm not mad at the guy I just really don't understand.

I didn't even ask for the debate. I was at work. He came to me asking questions about god, satan, ghosts, even aliens. I simply answered them. While the conversation was taking place every other employee including management got involved and started asking me questions. Mind you, I live in the bible belt. For someone to say the things I am saying is unheard of.

He was not the only one to try to "stump the Atheist." The others asked questions as well. After the conversation was over two people had changed their minds! YAY ATHEISM!! I think about 8 have really strong doubts about their religion but aren't ready to take that leap. But the one guy just walked off quietly. Didn't say a word about it the rest of the day. He talked to me like normal for the rest of the work day.

When we got off he waited for me in the parking lot. He approached me and asked if I thought it was funny to bring his coworkers to hell with me. I was about to respond when he swung at me. I was trained by the military so the altercation didn't last long. I called an ambulance to come pick him up and stayed to speak to the police department. Now I'm going to court. WTF?!?!?!? lol Oh well, I live by a saying I learned in the Army. Stand for something or fall for anything.

The Update for easier reading.....



Ok so here's what happened. I know I kinda spoiled it but, I knew a lot of you where on the edge of you seat trying wanting to know how the courts would deal with it. Basically the judge told him "EVEN THOUGH this man doesn't believe in Christ he was able to act with more morality than you are even capable of understanding. You are a menace and uncontrollable. Your actions have put a bad name not only on yourself but, on all people who believe as you do. You ought to be ashamed and I hope when you go to your probation violation hearing the state picks this case up and runs with it to the fullest extent of the law."

You like that? "EVEN THOUGH"?? As if we are incapable of being moral by the "Christian" standard. In my opinion he acted better than Christians did during the Inquisition. He addressed me "Mr. 'A' (I don't wanna use my real last name) I apologize for this inconvenience and the court will not take any more of your time. You are free to leave unless you have anything to add?" So I calmly said "Your honor, the only thing that I would ask is that you put yourself in his position. The man lost his job, the use of his arm, his pride, and now quite possibly his freedom. I understand he broke the law...however I broke his arm. I know this is not a carnal society as in the days of the Inquisition (yes I said it) but I feel like he has had his punishment. The only thing I would like to stress to this court is that we Atheists DO have morality however, to our advantage, it's NOT God given. Therefore we can and DO alter it to fit the situation. This man only acted as every Christian in the past acted when their beliefs where put through the scrutiny of science. I don't fault him. I fault society. That is all I have to say."

At this, the judge recommended some ridiculously large amount of community service and that he write a formal apology which I declined to accept. I signed a form before I left the court that said he apologized and left it at that.

Now Bring on the Church debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The later update.....


First and foremost I wanna thank EVERYONE for the support. You guys are still AMAZING!!!!!!!

I spoke with the pastor today. He claims that it's just standard b.s. He said that we wants an open format and to allow audience questions. I asked him what kind of "standard" b.s. he was referring to. His response was "oh, you know things like no cussing and the like." I told him we could just go on good faith that I would refrain from things like that to which he said "I thought Atheists had NO faith?" Good point. He laughed and I told him that he would have to make sure to give me this arrangement no later than Wednesday seeing as he wants me at church on Sunday. He agreed that he would have it done earlier than that. I asked him who I would be debating and he said that he had MANY volunteers but, was "told by God" he should be the one to do it......the phrase "Why hast thou forsaken me?" came to mind but, I resisted the urge.

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Right on, man! Just go to court and tell the truth! I have been expecting something like this to happen to me for a long time but thankfully it hasn't.
Thanks for the support. This kinda makes me rethink my approach though. I mean maybe everyone isn't ready
oh no! don't! I think your story was wonderful! In fact it rather inspired me to do the same on campus. I go to school in the Bible belt too! (Harrisonburg, VA)

You helped two people and annoyed one. You shouldn't back down simply because people try to oppress you!

I want to try talking calmly next to one of those loudmouthed evangelists sometime. I've been waiting for one to come by.
"You helped two people and annoyed one. You shouldn't back down simply because people try to oppress you!"

Not your call buddy.Besides,you're not the one going to court.


I'm not remotely interested in futile gestures or standing up for my rights regardless.I was also in the military (a grunt) and hold belts in two martial arts. I last hit another person in anger in 1964.(4 years before I was conscripted)

Old age and treachery will beat youthful idealism any day of the week. :o)
nah, but no sense in holding my opinion either.

either way he gets to do whatever he wants. it's my opinion and simply that =)


"Old age and treachery will beat youthful idealism any day of the week."

well, two things to say to that:

1: I constantly hear my older family reminisce on their younger years and how much they love them. I may know I won't change the world, but I wouldn't trade my youth in just because I'm not old yet! Plenty of time to be old when I'm old.

2: Eh... I don't agree. Idealism is why I'm not racist or sexist. It started with the idealism. We can't all change the world, but the thought that we might is inspiring. No sense in being sour about it if you can't either, though. I'll take my vehement youth and calm down when the hormones do. Life works good that way ;)
I have no enemies. If he has a problem again he can address me again. I won't hold it against him. In a a sense I'm more "Christ-like" than he is! lol But if he has questions I'm not running from them or him. His arm is broke now. I don't think it feels very good. I'm sure he will remember that
Thanks! I think you are right though. There is talk at work that he is to be fired. I have been trying to tell them not to but, if that happens I'm sure there will be retribution. I'm still in shock over the whole thing.
oh no... I wouldn't have broke his arm...that's what gets you in trouble. was he too big to subdue with a ground lock?

I may suggest a restraining order...he sounds like the kind of person who will repeat this... that way next time you have a better case against him.
Yeah he is like 6 5. Way taller than me and about 220 something. I mean he is a BIG guy. It was his own momentum that broke the arm, I just directed it. I didn't mean for it to happen. I really do appreciate all the concern guys REALLY. It's more than my own family gave! lol I think it was just an irrational act with little to no planning. He might have been out there smoking a blunt brewing on it them seen me and snapped...I don't know. I'll keep my guard up but, I think it's over.
It was his own momentum that broke the arm, I just directed it.

HAHAHA wow... I guess god really wasn't on his side. He even genetically predispositioned him to break his own arm if he were ever to swing at an atheist who merely deflected it

this story keeps getting better and better ;)
It was his own momentum that broke the arm, I just directed it.

You just gotta LOVE aikido!
If he was smoking something, it probably wasn't weed.

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