There's way too many threads scattered all over this site [*] - this is for all of them. This is a pretty neat and universal retort to all of the lunatics that consider healthcare reform tantamount to a communist takeover. I've reproduced the whole thing instead of the usual minimal snippet, because it deserves it, and you can just copy and paste it for any cretins that choose to pollute your mailbox -

Freepers, Birthers, Morons of all stripe, You didn't get mad...

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when.. when... wait for it... when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans... well fuck that. That about right? You know it is.

You people have all lost your fucking minds. You are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, narcissistic, and frankly... stupid. Your pathetic little misspelled protest signs are embarrassing. Maybe you ought to find the smart person in your midst and let them make up all the signs, cause man, you look like a bunch of idiots. Also you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.

[*] Really, what's so difficult in sacrificing 3 seconds of your life to see if what you're posting is in an existing thread (or 20) ? Oh, I see, you're opinion is more important than their's and needs a thread of it's own. That and its beneath you to check. OK. My apologies then.

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Well, I'm glad you made your way up the ladder. Like I said, hard work can improve your station in life. Some very fortunate people can improve their lot dramatically. Others run into roadblocks. Wait until you hit a few before you judge those who have.
I'm with Jason on this one.

A few things we can control:

- I can do what I can within my genetic and financial ability to keep myself healthy and fit.

- I can seek education. If I can't pay for it I can self-teach to a certain extent.

- I can go for the job interview despite any gender/ethnic/class biases I might run up against.

- I can be good at what I do, punctual, reliable, loyal to 'the mission' as you put it.

A few things we can not control:

- Sometimes genetics and financial restrictions severely impair our ability to be fit enough to work. Like Jac has pointed out too many times, looks matter. Can't afford the dental care = crappy teeth = severe liability in passing the job interview no matter how great your resume looks. I can't tell you how often I've faced the paradox: Can't get the job without the medicine. Can't get the medicine without the job. I lost a job recently because the surgery date which I let my employer pick was inconvenient to them. How does this make me a lazy, unemployed adult?

- Ethnic/gender/class biases are only the tip of the iceberg. Case in point: I did a group interview once where I answered a question using a "Phantom of the Opera" analogy. Turns out, the interviewer was a mega-fan of that play, loved me, and hired me on the spot. Woo-hoo for me! However, how did the other seven people feel? I instantly became the teacher's pet based on something that has nothing whatsoever to do with job skill or performance.

- No matter how reliable, hard-working and skilled I am at the job, personal prejudices rule in the workplace. I've mentioned my autism. Jac has her dental issues. I've lost a job because I don't go out drinking with the guys after work. I've lost a job because I wouldn't watch porn with my supervisor. And yes, they very much can fire you for race/gender/religion, just so long as they're bright enough not to say out loud that's why they're firing you. Fired = exponentially more difficult to get the next job.

So Antoyne, it's not only your starting place in life. There's a lot of dumb luck and elements way beyond our control. I'm glad for you that you came from a humble upbringing and made your way. But don't assume that the rest of the adults on unemployment were just too lazy to get off it.
Huh. And here I've been wasting my time supporting civil rights and promoting treating people with dignity and respect and everything.
Being forced to endure sexual harassment? Go out on my own time in a smoky bar I can't breathe in to drink alcohol I don't want to drink in a social situation I'm wildly uncomfortable with? That is closer to indentured servitude than work. It's why unions and labor laws arose.

So I guess we simply differ on values there.
"...those who merely want the chance to work in a job, earn a living, and be left the fuck alone as opposed to getting pelted by the rain of shit from the rest of the poo-flinging primates."

LOL! If that doesn't describe every other workplace I've been in...

But I will play devil's advocate here and say that not everyone who succeeds is there because it was handed to them on silver platter marked "For the White/Male/Pretty only." I know plenty of people who are in a good place financially and career wise and it's due to their own talent and drive.

My point is, it's also due to some luck not being haunted by Patty Politics in every other workplace. I know my own haunting is largely due to my being High Functioning Autistic. In the workplace, that translates as skilled and reliable, but I absolutely do not get the unwritten rules of who I'm supposed to genuflect to and why. Those who need their ego stroked the hardest are the hardest for me to suss out and subsequently, the ones who get along with me the least. I don't begrudge anyone who is fortunate enough not to get caught in that quagmire.

Anyway, all that to say not all of the rich and successful are there by nefarious means any more than all of the poor and unemployed made that bed by themselves. Some, but most definitely not all.

For all the bad employment luck I've had I have also known a fabulous boss or three. I still have a contract job that has worked out beautifully for a decade. It's just unfortunately not nearly enough work to live on.
Jo, I don't disagree, though I would stress that nobody ever lands where they do solely by dint of their own efforts. Everybody gets dealt a hand to begin with, and from parents to societal and economic infrastructure and pressures, there are lots of factors that determine our outcomes. It's not completely a crapshoot, but there's simply no such thing as a self-made person.
True - good luck does play its part along with that skill and drive. Just saying that I know plenty of folks who got exactly what they deserved (good fortune-wise).
Oh, sorry Antoyne. That was kinda over the top. I'll go blow my unemployment check on lottery tickets as penance.
"(Sigh) Will you two stop taking responsibility for your actions!"

Sorry ... um ... The Devil made me do it!!! The government is out to get me!!! It's not my fault I went to my supervisor's house after work and slashed her tires!!!

Better? ;-)

Just as an interesting point, that high functioning autism sounds like it provides a certain built-in immunity to getting sucked into narcisstic or cult relationships. Which I would like to figure out how to put into a bottle and slip into the water supply. Damn. I know autism has an extreme set of challenges, but missing the cues means that the narcissist's spell probably won't work on you. Which keeps you safe, IMO. Just thought you might wanna know (and/or correct me.)
"Just as an interesting point, that high functioning autism sounds like it provides a certain built-in immunity to getting sucked into narcisstic or cult relationships. Which I would like to figure out how to put into a bottle and slip into the water supply."

To an extent it does and is the topic of more than a couple of discussions on the Asperger Atheists group here. Our tendency to compensate for crossed wires in the empathic part of our brains by over-using the logic-rational-academic part of the brain can certainly lead to a lot more questioning of cults of personality.

However, there remains that desire to be part of the group and hide that which makes us not quite like the other children. That can include forcing ourselves to buy into norms and rituals we otherwise would find silly.

I know that's the number one reason it took me until my mid twenties to question Xianity out loud.
Aristocracy has never been "the fittest" in a darwinian sense. They start out standing on a mountain of resources. It's not about fitness for them, but about their good fortune to live on very favorable terrain.


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