Islam, today, invites strong comments. Many persons have expressed strong reservations about Islamic character, present and the past, and deep worries about the world’s future because of the great threat the Islamic extremism represents to human civilization. What is it that holds the power to soften Islam? How far it will succeed in doing it? Read on and comment.                                                         

PICTURE ONE

“India has been a target for al Qaeda and the global jihadist movement for over a decade. India has often been listed by bin Laden and his accomplice Ayman Zawahiri as a part of the ‘Crusader-Zionist-Hindu’ conspiracy against the Islamic world. The targets of the killers in Mumbai—Americans, Brits, Israelis and Indians--fit exactly into the profile al Qaeda and its partners vilify and plot against. Both bin Laden and Zawahiri have spoken about the “U.S-Jewish-Indian alliance against Muslims.”

(Bruce Riedel, Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy, Saban Center for Middle East Policy, The Brookings Institution)

PICTURE TWO

More importantly, Indianized Islam is probably the most sophisticated and liberal Islam in the world, because of its prolonged nurturing in the Indian soil. Islam needs the same kind of Reformation as Christianity underwent in the past few centuries. India, with its long experience of Islam co-existing with other religions, its large Muslim population, and its Hindu-Buddhist experience, is the ideal environment for Islamic liberalization. Islamic majority nations lack the experience of pluralism, democracy, and the Hinduism-Buddhism environment. Western countries have too small a Muslim population, and too recent an encounter, to be incubators. India is the ideal climate for a breakthrough.

(Quoted from rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com)

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not hating something that deserve hate is a sure sign of lack of wisdom. i am sure madhukar kulkarni did not read sharia nor koran. there it is expressedly said that by killing a non muslim ,a muslim will go to heaven. this kind of explicit hate material and its followers deserve hate from all right thinking people no matter whatever muslims are saying.

fascism is hating innocent people. hating people who deserve hate is not therefore fascism anyway.

By what criteria do we decide who is deserving of hate?  The Bible has some hateful things in it as well, should we hate all Christians regardless of which parts of the Bible they believe?

bible did not say hate non Christians. did it?

bible did not say that by killing non christian, Christians will go to heaven. did it?

bible did not say that it is the duty of all Christians regardless of age, gender to kill all non Christians.  did it?

and you are comparing bible with koran and sharia? how could you? they are simply incomparable.

koran has explicit hate teaching. koran teaches to hate all those who don't believe in koran. in other way, koran teaches to hate a huge multitude of people.

that's why koran and its followers muslims deserve hate.

do you understand?

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the bible. How many times in the old testament did god tell the jews to kill those who didn't believe in their god?  And then there is this gem: Luke 19:27 (see 19:11-27)
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me."

And there us plenty more where that came from.  The question still remains " Do all Christians and Muslims believe in the hateful parts of there religion?  Ironically you are doing the very thing that you accuse Muslims of doing.

and how many Christians and Jews obey these words of god? no, they did not believe in this hateful teaching BUT MUSLIMS DO BELIEVE IN THESE HATEFUL TEACHINGS and they execute the order of their god. these terrorist attacks are not the result of one man's madness but the execution of the order given by muhammad to kill infidels.

you may say that "not all muslims believe in those teachings" but how to know which muslim is telling truth and which one is lying ?

christian and jews honestly disobey their god's hateful teachings because they made laws to protect non believers. they separate state from church, they made constitutions which expressively forbid any religion to be an established religion. Europe has now become more secular than ever before. these acts of christians and jews show that they REALLY DISOBEY their god's hateful teaching.

how many muslims will do acts like these so that you conclude that not all muslims believe in the hateful teachings?

it is the secular mindset of Christians and jews that keep muslims in America.

and here you defending muslim shows your disbelief of god's hateful teachings. how many muslims defend non muslims like this?

bible did not say hate non Christians. did it?

Oh YES IT DID and DOES. Many times and with MUCH more hate & venom than the anything in the Koran.

bible did not say that by killing non christian, Christians will go to heaven. did it?

Almost the ENTIRE Old Testament says EXACTLY THAT, over & over & over again (along with begat, begat, begat), Kill the Amorites, kill the Hittites, kill the Perizzites, kill the Hivites, kill the Jebusites, kill the Girgashites, etc.etc ad infinatum, ad nauseum.  All the Old Testament says is for the Jews to KILL, KILL, KILL, oh and take the virgins as luv-slaves as rewards! WHEEEEEEEEE!!!

(Also there's the cool part in Gen. Chapter 19 where Lot does a three-way with his two daughters which clears the way for fathers to f*ck their daughters without penalty - Woo-Pee! You won't see THAT in the Koran, no-sir-ee, Arnab!)

bible did not say that it is the duty of all Christians regardless of age, gender to kill all non Christians.  did it?

You, Arnab, very obviously, know NOTHING about the Old Testament.  It is an instruction manual for murder, mayhem, zealous intolerance and gender and racial privilege/hatred.  There is more killing/genocide in ONE CHAPTER of the Old Testament than the ENTIRE Koran.

and you are comparing bible with koran and sharia? how could you? they are simply incomparable.

You're right, the Bible is much, much, MUCH worse.  and the new Testament does not get a pass.  In Matthew Chapter 5, verse 17, Jesus says:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of one word shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."

That-there "the Law" Jeebus is talkin' 'bout there, Arnab?  That's the MOSAIC LAW which means all the hateful, horrible crap in Leviticus AND Deuteronomy - all the executions and selling your daughter into slavery and ... hell - just SLAVERY.  Period.

christian and jews honestly disobey their god's hateful teachings because they made laws to protect non believers. they separate state from church, they made constitutions which expressively forbid any religion to be an established religion. Europe has now become more secular than ever before. these acts of christians and jews show that they REALLY DISOBEY their god's hateful teaching.

how many muslims will do acts like these so that you conclude that not all muslims believe in the hateful teachings?

it is the secular mindset of Christians and jews that keep muslims in America.

and here you defending muslim shows your disbelief of god's hateful teachings. how many muslims defend non muslims like this?

christian and jews honestly disobey their god's hateful teachings because they made laws to protect non believers. they separate state from church, they made constitutions which expressively forbid any religion to be an established religion.

Well, you obviously haven't checked in on the USA & Israel lately.  Take the United States: the presumed RePub candidate for President, Santorum, is winning his party's nomination by embracing the Christian god's hateful teachings, particularly by the oppression of women and the return of State's Rights, which is merely code for the return of the segregation rules that enslaved people of color.  He advocates banning not only abortion but contraception as well and the RePub primary voters, and the jew/christian billionaire fascists & their media are cheering him on!  These people won't be satisfied until the USA returns to their bronze-age version of society where slavery and the oppression of women as second-class citizens is complete.

As for Israel, new laws don't permit women & men to even sit together on public transit - the genders have been segregated there with, of course, women on the losing end.  A current best-selling book in Israel, "Torat Ha'Melech" ("The King's Torah") describes the laws, in the Torah, concerning the killing of non-Jews, a guidebook for when it is permissible to take the life of a non-Jew, or "Goyim". According to the author, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, non-Jews are "uncompassionate by nature" and should be killed in order to "curb their evil inclinations." "If we kill a gentile who has has violated one of the seven commandments... there is nothing wrong with the murder." According to Shapira, "There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults."  Then there's Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, one of Israel's biggest media-stars, the equivalent of Rick Warren in the USA.  Yosef preaches on national TV that the sole reason for the existence of gentiles was to perform menial services for Jews: After that, their usefulness was at an end.  Yosef commonly peppers his sermons w/references to non-Jews as "snakes, monkeys, and other lesser creations" and the Israeli people SOAK IT UP.  His TV ratings are through-the-roof.  Then there is the Gaza genocide that a large majority of Israelis cheered.  And the Israeli lobby's influence in world media for starting yet another war, this time in Iran, so that (mostly) Eastern European jews can steal more land & water in Palestine.  Just ask yourself these questions, Arnab: how many F-16s, B-52s, Smart Bombs, Nuclear Bombs, white-phosphorous weapons, tanks, Sarin Gas, etc.etc.etc. do the Christians & Jews have - AND USE?  How many do the Muslims have?

The list is long but suffice it to say, in the last decade which religions have murdered THE MOST PEOPLE in their cause to exterminate the other?  Well, Arnab, BY FAR that would be Jews & Christians who have murdered well over 300,000 civilians in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars!  When you compare those numbers to the amount of people Muslims have killed in the last decade?

IT'S. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

By far the most genocidal religions currently on Earth are Jews and Christians.  Period.

IT'S. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

No matter how much bull-shit the zionist media feeds you - the evidence, from Iraq & Afghanistan, cannot be denied.

showing only one man or two men get nomination of their party based on christian hate teaching does not discredit the contribution of entire christian or Jewish race of which i talked about in the previous comments.

Christians and jews show enough tolerance and respect to other religion than muslims did.this really shows that they disobey god's hateful teachings.

Arab-israel war is not based on religion but based on some earthly needs.

now lets come to the iraq and afganistan. in those 2 wars many muslims are killed: that's o.k. but you forgot that it is muslims who strikes first in 9/11. iraq and afganistan war are just the consequence of those first attack i.e. 9/11.

in britain the 7/7 attack was made by home grown muslims: people who are grown up by consuming a share of natural resource of britain. yet they killed many people in 7/7 attack. how could you justify that? it is the worst example of lack of gratitude.

in india there are 2 wars of which muslims are the initiator. there are 2 riots of which muslims are the initiator.

you know, those who perform the first attack are the guilty. so muslims are intolerant, inhuman and guilty.

Just ask yourself these questions, Arnab: how many F-16s, B-52s, Smart Bombs, Nuclear Bombs, white-phosphorous weapons, tanks, Sarin Gas, etc.etc.etc. do the Christians & Jews have - AND USE?  How many do the Muslims have?

thank god muslims don't have those weapons. if they do have, then all the beauties of the world will be no more. the world will look like a muslim graveyard. 

well you better ask these questions: why muslims don't invent computer, internet, modern electricity, space ship, microchips, television, radar, car, movie-camera, life saving medicines etc. which better our lives?

all muslims have to say is kill the non believers and go to heaven and fuck the hoories over there.

you are defending a race who is worse than christian and jews combined. christian and jews build beautiful civilization which muslims are trying to destroy in the name of religion.

you are defending a race who is worse than christian and jews combined. christian and jews build beautiful civilization ...

Oh ... really, Arnab?  Those jews & christians are SOOOOO tolerant and enlightened and technological and stuff.  Oh yeah.  Sure.  Here is presumptive PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, Richard Santorum, on the subject of ... uhhh ... Satan!:

"Satan has his sights on the United States of America.  Satan is attacking the great institutions of America — using those great vices of pride, vanity and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that have so deeply rooted in the American tradition.

"This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war at all. This is a spiritual war, and the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies, Satan, would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country: the United States of America."

And then Santorum, the Catholic, played the bigot-card, telling all us good, "real-Christian" Americans that it's - all the PROTESTANTS fault:

"If we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country, and it is a shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity."

Got it, Arnab?  Here's a mainline Presidential candidate trying his best to start a religious war - and being cheered by his RePub base for doing so.  Gee, that sounds sorta like that-there Ayatollah-stuff, don't it?  Sounds JUST like it, to me.  I thought that only happened in them-there Ay-Rab-Muslim countries.  Hmmmmm?

Yep, we don't have hateful Christian preachers that condone violence at all.  We have never had Christians kill because of their religion.  Those filthy Muslims in Egypt all they no is violence.  They don't understand peaceful protest at all.  Oh wait, they helped bring down a dictator peacefully.  All you are showing is your hatred for a group of people that are guilty by association.  Another secular concept you might want to try is innocent until proven guilty.  As for whether a Mulin will defend a non-Mulim, we should not stoop to the level of people we don't like.  Just because they would not show us the same courtesy doesn't mean we shouldn't do so.

Those filthy Muslims in Egypt all they no is violence.  They don't understand peaceful protest at all.  Oh wait, they helped bring down a dictator peacefully.

oh you also believe this nonsense? look, people cannot  bring down the ruler of country because the ruler has a huge army with latest weapon and fire power and people have no weapon and fire power.

Egyptian dictator was brought down because of the following reasons:

1] his army and officers betray him.

2] negative  publicity by American media.

3] protest of people.

out of these 3 reasons, third reason we can understand. we cannot understand first 2 reasons. why his army and officers betray him and why there is so much negative publicity in media owned by American govt. ?

but if we dig a little deeper we will find that there are 2 possible reasons why army and officers betray him.

1] they are fed up of him

2] they are given money and bribe to betray Mubarak.

the first reason is impossible in this case. as they are govt. official i.e. men of dictator, it can be inferred that the dictator took good care of them. so they are not fed up of Mubarak.

so only 2nd reason left and it makes sense. now who bribe them? good question.

if we combine this question with negative publicity by american media, we can find the answer. the answer is:

it is american govt. especially the CIA who fund the Egyptian revolution and american media who in co-operation with CIA publish the news as "people's revolution against a dictator."

now you understand that muslim people did not do any kind of revolution.if you don't like that reasoning, then my advice is that please grow up.

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