Islam, today, invites strong comments. Many persons have expressed strong reservations about Islamic character, present and the past, and deep worries about the world’s future because of the great threat the Islamic extremism represents to human civilization. What is it that holds the power to soften Islam? How far it will succeed in doing it? Read on and comment.                                                         

PICTURE ONE

“India has been a target for al Qaeda and the global jihadist movement for over a decade. India has often been listed by bin Laden and his accomplice Ayman Zawahiri as a part of the ‘Crusader-Zionist-Hindu’ conspiracy against the Islamic world. The targets of the killers in Mumbai—Americans, Brits, Israelis and Indians--fit exactly into the profile al Qaeda and its partners vilify and plot against. Both bin Laden and Zawahiri have spoken about the “U.S-Jewish-Indian alliance against Muslims.”

(Bruce Riedel, Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy, Saban Center for Middle East Policy, The Brookings Institution)

PICTURE TWO

More importantly, Indianized Islam is probably the most sophisticated and liberal Islam in the world, because of its prolonged nurturing in the Indian soil. Islam needs the same kind of Reformation as Christianity underwent in the past few centuries. India, with its long experience of Islam co-existing with other religions, its large Muslim population, and its Hindu-Buddhist experience, is the ideal environment for Islamic liberalization. Islamic majority nations lack the experience of pluralism, democracy, and the Hinduism-Buddhism environment. Western countries have too small a Muslim population, and too recent an encounter, to be incubators. India is the ideal climate for a breakthrough.

(Quoted from rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com)

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I see.  Well OK, the history may support a terrorist paradigm for some Muslims in India, but there is so much evidence for Israeli/U.S. false-flag operations in this recent incident:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/who-carried-out-the-terrorist-...

Bottom line for me:
 1. Attacks were incompetent in execution, obviously intended to be unambiguously against Israel, while actually injuring or killing only locals (injuring the wife of the Israeli defense official in New Delhi was part of the incompetence).
 2. Attacks sophisticated in planning and weaponry (in New Delhi, using the same type of attack and weapon as was used in Iran against innocent Iranian scientists).  
 3. Attackers made it crystal (and too) clear they were Iranian.

Conclusion:  Attackers were MEK members being run by Mossad.  That explains sophisticated weaponry, and the MEK explains Iranian passports, incompetence, hatred of the Iranian government, and lack of concern over the possible 'suicide mission' aspect of attack.  They weren't patsies, as they weren't fooled into taking the blame for someone else.  They knew exactly what they were doing, and were happy to be involved in an operation whose goal was to lead to a War For The zionists against Iran so that (mostly) Eastern Europeans can continue to steal more land & water in Palestine - which is, as always, the main reason for all of this.

Stephen MacMohan,

The truth is, truth may never be known.

I get the feeling that you are a muslim since you use all the same mantra talking points.

I think you need to perhaps re-evaluate what you perceive as "The News" in supposedly "serious media" (e.g. NY Times, Wash. Post, CBS/NBC/ABC, NPR, etc.etc.) and identify it for the right wing zionist propaganda that it actually is.

 

All of these media outlets publish main stream left-winged propaganda.

 

Couple of questions for you:

So your saying the the US media is trying to distract everybody in the world so they can take land and water from Palestine? 

I wasn't aware that the Palestinians had huge amounts of money, how did they get this "money" you say they have?

So your saying that Saddam didn't invade Kuwait, the 10th largest producer of oil in the world?

 

All of these media outlets publish main stream left-winged propaganda.

Nice try, Bill H (Not!).  These are all corporate-welfare driven RIGHT-wing media outlets.  Media is owned & controlled by multi-national corporations which are decidedly fascist and right-wing "free-market!" apparatchiks.  E.G. the New York Times which coordinated with Bush administration on the phoney WMD false claims so that Cheney and Rice could trumpet "even the N.Y. Times says" zionist propaganda on Sunday chat-shows in the run-up to the phoney Iraq war which was really just a War-for-Israel.  Your hasbara, I believe, is showing.

Couple of questions for you:

Sure.

So your saying the the US media is trying to distract everybody in the world so they can take land and water from Palestine?

They are not "distracting"; they are "selling" the proposition that Eastern European jews have some sort of claim to Palestine because ... the Invisible Super-Grandpa imaginary sky-wizard left the deed to Palestine to "The Chosen Ones" in his will?  You do realise, Bill H, that this is an atheist community forum?   Hmmmmm?  No Invisible Super-Grandpas allowed in here.

I wasn't aware that the Palestinians had huge amounts of money, how did they get this "money" you say they have?

I didn't say "that the Palestinians had huge amounts of money".  Not once in anything that I wrote.  Perhaps that was on your hasbara talking-points sheet, Bill, but not anywhere in my post.  I did point out that the MEK terrorist organization, mostly funded by Israel, Saudi Arabia et al have sophisticated terrorist weaponry.  Sure.

So your saying that Saddam didn't invade Kuwait, the 10th largest producer of oil in the world?

Oh, here we go again ... Bill ... uhhh ... Saddam invaded Kuwait because the U.S. ambassador, April Glaspie, gave him permission to do so:

April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein, July 25, 1990:

"I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.

"I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 60's. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly."

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html

The first Iraq War was just as big a piece zionist bullshit as the second one was.

The problem in the Middle East, since after WWII has been and will always be the phoney country of Israel.  George Marshall, arguably the best Secretary of State in U.S. history (and a FIVE-star General) said it best.  He told Harry Truman that if he allowed the massive import of weapons and conscripts into Palestine from Eastern Europe to continue, that he, Marshall, would not vote for Truman in the 1948 election.  Truman asked for his resignation and it was given.

Harry couldn't stand the heat in his own kitchen.  He shoulda listened to Marshall.  If he had, the world would be more peaceful and oil would not be going towards $200/barrel now.

Too bad for all of us.

All of these media outlets publish main stream left-winged propaganda.

E.G. the New York Times which coordinated with Bush administration on the phoney WMD false claims so that Cheney and Rice could trumpet "even the N.Y. Times says" zionist propaganda on Sunday chat-shows in the run-up to the phoney Iraq war which was really just a War-for-Israel.  Your hasbara, I believe, is showing.

All media outlets in every country are owned by a company or in Muslim / Communist countries the state.

The definition of fascist is someone who forces people to obey. The media doesn’t do that, but Muslim / Communist run countries do. What does that make them?

The mainstream media in the US claimed the war was for oil not for Israel. Just because the US invaded, Iraq doesn’t mean that is was for Israel, but you convince yourself of that and continue to feed your hate for Israel if you like.

I’m not pro Israel, I’m anti-Muslim. There is a difference.

You do realise, Bill H, that this is an atheist community forum?   Hmmmmm?  No Invisible Super-Grandpas allowed in here.

Yes, I’m well aware that this is a atheist community, but I’m not the one spouting pro-Muslim rhetoric. 

Oh, here we go again ... Bill ... uhhh ... Saddam invaded Kuwait because the U.S. ambassador, April Glaspie, gave him permission to do so:

 

The proof you have for this claim is from a communist/socialist website? Wow, I can see how honest that site is, NOT.

The first Iraq War was just as big a piece zionist bullshit as the second one was.

Your just pissed because Reagan won the cold war over the communist and proved to the world how inferior it is.

The definition of fascist is someone who forces people to obey.

Uhhhh ... No, Bill.  Fascism is simply the consolidation of government and corporations in an oppressive, autocratic authority.  In case you haven't noticed, Bill, the media is WHOLLY owned by large, multinational corporations.  Corporate executives are, by nature, rich, over-privileged, right-wing, free-marketer-types.  And in the case of media, 100% zionist - i.e.: belief in the Invisible Super-Grandpa sky-wizard is present, active & continuing.  E.G., the Middle East correspondent for the NY Times is one Ethan Bronner, whose son is an officer in the Israeli Defense Force.  Need I say more?

And this is not "pro-muslim rhetoric".  I grew up in an atheist household, come from a long line of atheists, and have been decidedly anti-religious all of my life.  But I am a humanist and when I see the constant prejudice in Western media against the people of Palestine in support of the most violent, racist, group-supremicist state since the old South Africa; I'm going to speak up.  ALWAYS.

The proof you have for this claim is from a communist/socialist website?

Montclair State University, part of the New Jersey public university system, is a "communist/socialist website" WTF?  So ... you ... you think public universities are communist/socialist enclaves, eh Billy-boy?  You do realize that was a reprint from The New York Times, right?  Everyone with a brain & a pulse knows about U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie, pal.  I mean, there are pictures & videos & tapes & everything:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

So ... Methinks maybe I'm gettin' a right wing-nut vibe here.  Oh, wait ... wait ...

Your just pissed because Reagan won the cold war

Soooooo - You worship at the altar of the senile old fruit, draft-dodger and race-baiter: St. Ronnie ("young bucks drivin' ... Cadillacs!").  Now I get it. 

Hey Bill - nice talkin' to ya'.

Oh Okay, I get it the evil corporations are out to get me.

 

Montclair State University, part of the New Jersey public university system, is a "communist/socialist website" WTF?  So ... you ... you think public universities are communist/socialist enclaves, eh Billy-boy?

 

If you back out one page you will see that Grover Furr, a teacher's home page hosted at the university is filled with pro-communist propaganda. I wouldn't call it a enclave, but I do believe that many teachers pushs their views onto the students. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXhmTz_0M

 

I don't worship Reagan or anything else for that matter. I just used that as a dig against your communist rantings.

"So ... Methinks maybe I'm gettin' a right wing-nut vibe here.  Oh, wait ... wait …"

Stephen McMahon

This may put it into perspective… 

…of course, ARI are probably "COMMIES!".

"I do believe that many teachers pushs their views onto the students. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDeXhmTz_0M"

Bill H

Interesting cite, who is the EAD Foundation, …oh never mind I found it.

...cited by the Drudge Report, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. ~ EAG Foundation.

Yes, it's becoming clearer now...

" I just used that as a dig against your communist rantings."

Bill H

Is this from the EAG Foundation as well?

Where's Obama?

No.

He is completely lost.

pic two: liberal islam of india

if muslims living in india are liberal then why we have riot in 1947? why we have 26/11 Mumbai attack? you may say that the attack of 26/11 is done by muslims coming from outside india but they are helped by muslims living in india.

why imam bukhari said, on issue of unified civil code for hindu and muslim in india, that he will turn rajiv Gandhi into a muslim if rajiv ever touch sharia?

why there is serial bomb blast in india today? how an outsider can do bomb blast in india if not helped by an insider?

therefore i don't agree with your view that muslim in indian soil is secular and liberal.

islam has only one picture.

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