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Permalink Reply by annet on September 7, 2011 at 11:26pm

I was also offended by that.  But then someone said it was a media hype that normally would not have even gotten any press except that now everything gets press no matter what.  So I decided to push past it. But in general, yes, he does not get enough respect.

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Permalink Reply by Josh on September 8, 2011 at 7:13am

I agree completely. I was an Obama supporter and I'd still vote for him rather than any of the current Republican candidates, but I really, really hope that there's a primary challenger on the Democratic or Independent side that I can get behind.

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Permalink Reply by roland707 on September 8, 2011 at 8:39am

I would love for Bernie Sanders to run, but he would have zero chance to win.

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Permalink Reply by Josh on September 8, 2011 at 8:54am

Yeah. I agree with some of his positions, but others I find extreme. It would be a double-edged sword for me :)

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Permalink Reply by roland707 on September 8, 2011 at 9:23am

Yeah, he's WAY left. What I like about him is that he seems to hold the American people as most important, and he pokes at Dems and Repubs if he thinks they're not doing right by us. He's usually that one vote, you know when it's 256 to 1. HAHA

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Permalink Reply by Josh on September 8, 2011 at 9:38am

He's actually a right-winger, but more the libertarian type. Some of his questional positions (in my opinion) are:

(1) Opposition to firearm regulation
(2) Opposition to membership in the UN
(3) Elimination of legal tender (National currency)
(4) Although he beleives that the decision should be state level, he is extremely pro-life (anti-choice)
(5) Opposition to the Civil Rights act of 1964 (believes that individuals should be allowed to discriminate for employment, commerce, private education, etc) but thinks the federal government shouldn't discriminate
(6) Opposition to the interpretation that fredom of religion = freedom from religion (prayer in public schools is fine, religious displays on federal property is fine)
(7) Opposition to environmental protection regulation
(8) Promotion of excise taxes rather than income taxes. (Excise taxes are regressive in nature)

Basically, he is very, very libertarian to the point of almost being an anarchist.

 

The points on which I agree with Ron Paul are:
(1) Withdrawal from wars in middle east
(2) Removal of the Patriot Act
(3) Opposition to NAFTA
(4) Legalization of Marijuana
(5) Opposition to Federal "Enhanced Interrogations"

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Permalink Reply by roland707 on September 9, 2011 at 9:08am

That's surprising to me, I've mostly heard Sanders poking at right wing policies. Maybe I should study him a little more.

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Permalink Reply by Josh on September 9, 2011 at 10:12am

I'm sorry. I was thinking Ron Paul....

I am also a Bernie Sanders lover. :)

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Permalink Reply by roland707 on September 9, 2011 at 10:39am

Yeah, I actually read Ron Paul's book (at a friend's insistence). I think he wants what's best for America the nation, but at the expense of America the people, if that makes any sense. His big deal is revaluing the dollar. Good thing to do, but he has a crash and burn mentality about it. My impression of him is that he is an advocate of "survival of the fittest" fiscally. Granny would definitely be on the curb.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Wesner on September 9, 2011 at 4:07pm

Josh, if you mean Mr. Obama has some positions too extreme for you, I'd like to know which ones.  I only wish he would (1) take a more extreme position on most issues, and

(2) hold to them in the face of opposition.

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Permalink Reply by Josh on September 9, 2011 at 5:26pm

No, when Eric said Bernie Sanders, for some reason I thought Ron Paul. No idea why.....getting old I guess.

Mr. Obama is too centrist for my taste. He needs to be left of center IMO.

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Permalink Reply by Pat on September 8, 2011 at 11:37am

This came up in a conversation with some acquaintances the other day.  Are you voting for one person, or is you vote against the other person.  In 2010, my vote was for Obama.  However, I'm having some "buyer's remorse" at this point.  I just wish the guy (and the rest of the Dems in Congress) would grow a backbone and stand up for their purported principles.  Every time the right wing propaganda machine spews forth their lying vomitus,  e.g. death panels and killing grandma in the health care act, the Dems back down.  The recent budget battle was a prime example.  "We'll force the US into default unless you give us everything we want."  And guess what, the right wing extremists got it.  

The national tear duct from Cincinnati, Ohio (Boehner), is a prime example of a dog being wagged by the Teabagger tail.  There's a prime example of party and ideology first, and what is good for the country coming in third or fourth.

Given the current crop of Republican Presidential candidates, I plan on casting my vote against whoever their nominee is, not necessarily in favor of the incumbent.  Maybe, just maybe, the majority of Americans will have had enough of the Teabaggers, and give control of Congress back to more rational and educated people.  Time will tell.

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