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The Pledge of Allegiance
This time I am in argument with my mother over "under god" being in the pledge and how we are disrespectful to our country for not saying it. I am going insane with people confusing patriotism with or pledge that was altered in 1954 and violates our first amendment. I am very much in agreement with the rest of our allegiance; just not the "god" part. Any other rants out there?
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Permalink Reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on -
Right you are, Jerry.
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Permalink Reply by Grinning Cat on -
Do they need a dominant/submissive relationship?
I remember, as a young kid leaving a service, thinking how we gave God the sorts of allowances we'd never tolerate from a human leader, and not being sure that was right.
Then again, domination and submission are supposed to be basic behaviors from the "reptile brain".
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Permalink Reply by Tom M. on -
Tom - that is a great insight. Isn't it interesting too that before the words were "indivisible" and since all we have done is divide based on ethnicity and religion? Almost 60 years of dividing people on based on superficial qualities. Oh how proud should I be of our human race?
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Permalink Reply by roland707 on -
People think since they've heard it that way their whole life, it must have been there from the beginning. They have no clue about the history of it. I just wish everybody understood that this nation was legally formed by a bunch of atheists and deists. Payne, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington. One of their core principals was to not allow the government to blackmail the people with religion. Frackin drives me nuts that people think they were like puritans. Ugh.
You may already be aware of this, but it is useful ammo: The Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11
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Permalink Reply by Atheist Andrea on -
Not aware of that treaty but will look it up. You are right- they think it' s been there since whenever way back when it was formed. We are disrespecting those who chose to leave it out.
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Permalink Reply by Atheist Andrea on
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You were a little heathen boy from the start. ;)
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Permalink Reply by Atheist Andrea on
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If Porky says it this way, then it should be this way!
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Permalink Reply by FreeThinker on -
Watching this as a kid, I never even noticed the absence of "under God", nor the fact that the flag only has 48 stars (as Alaska and Hawaii weren't yet states).
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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on -
One nation, yes. And divisible by religion.
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Permalink Reply by mistercliff on -
It disrespects our country to have those damn words in there.
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