One of the questions in the survey about non-believers joining or not joining groups asked about whether science and religion were compatible.
The question "are science and religion compatible" is nonsense, because it suffers from the fallacy of overgeneralization. Obviously, most religious believers have no problem with 99.999% of what they learn from science, otherwise they would not use cars, or refrigerators, or cell phones or plows or wheels or weather charts.
Of course, the Amish reject much of 20th century technology, but that proves my point. The Amish have decided, from the perspective of their religious views, that they do not want to integrate certain technology into their lives. The Amish do not say that the science underlying internal combustion engines is untrue, they reject the use of certain technologies because they believe that their simpler life makes it easier for them to carry out God's will. They use paint and wheels and horseshoes and textiles, all of which are the products of scientific reasoning. So the religion of the Amish is not incompatible with science.
The same holds true for creationists. Their religion is not incompatible with science. If it were, they would reject all of physics, chemistry and biology, which they don't. In fact, the YEC's spend a lot of effort trying to show that their beliefs are scientifically-based. The reason they fail, of course, is because they are arguing from their conclusions, which is a logical fallacy - a pretty common one, really, and one that even supposedly rational atheists are not immune to. To say that the religion of creationists is incompatible with science is untrue. What's true is that their religious beliefs cause them to reject specific conclusions about certain scientific phenomenon.
The vast majority of scientists hold some sort of religious belief, yet they turn out excellent results that get published in peer-reviewed journals and are used by other religionists to develop new technologies and medical products and procedures that we non-believers use every day. If you, dear reader, believe that religion and science are incompatible, then I expect you to live by your beliefs and reject every piece of technology and every industrial product in your life (including the computer you are about to use to tell me I'm full of hooey) until you can prove that the science involved in its creation was not tainted by the incompatible beliefs of religionists.
Thanks for reading.
If theists reject the principle of unguided evolution by natural selection, with no God being involved, then their beliefs are not compatible with science. In order for religious belief to be compatible with science, believers would have to reject the failed God hypothesis, and agree with all of science's findings, but then, they would no longer be theists. So you are absolutely wrong that religion and science are compatible. Science has no dealings at all with faith. Science is not faith based. Science is based on reason.
Tell me true, are you a theist ? Christian ?
Science is not just a bunch of facts, but a method in which we interact with the world. A religious person who understands how and why the scientific method is necessary would immediately call into question his a priori conclusion of God. The reason there are religious scientists is not because these two ideas are compatible, but because they are cognitively dissonant.
Very well put Jonathan.
Steven Weinberg on religion and science (thanks to Joan for sharing this video in a status!)
[in science] "we have heroes [such as Albert Einstein and many others] but not prophets [or holy unquestionable traditions and scriptures]."
"I think the world needs to wake up from its long nightmare of religious belief. And anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of religion should be done, and may in fact be our greatest contribution to civilization."
I can settle this discussion with about at dozen words: Science asks questions that might never be answered, religion preaches answers that may never be questioned.
Another slightly cynical observation I like is: Science lets us build airplanes, religion makes us fly them into buildings.
I don't know who you are, but I'm telling you right now that science is incompatible with religion. You, sir, or miss, have no true understanding of science. If you'd like to debate it with me then feel free to join my Facebook group "Believer Non-believer Debate at www.facebook.com/groups/believernonbelieverdebate1/.
Believers are not allowed on Atheist Nexus, but somehow every now and then one slips through. But you're quite welcome to join my FaceBook group.
Tony, the ME person that you are addressing here is apparently gone now. From the best that we could figure this was a theist in atheist clothing who came here to stir things up. You know. Every now and then they want to get an atheist person all crying and then he admits that he really does believe in god, but he was just angry because god didn't bring him a pony.
Oh, I'm sorry! That was Santa Claus.
Nice discussion! I love it! Without science religion wouldn't be as successful as it is. Science helps to provide its falsity and things. But arrogantly religion is using science fraudulently. Religion will never understand who helped it. Religion is a way of mistreating and ill-using of things. If we look carefully about what has done religion since ages, we would easily find how priests are masturbating by watching people!