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Soon my final year of school will come to an end, and I have decided to migrate to another place in the world. I am, of course, an Anti Theist and I would like to find another place to reside in. Sweden is my birth country and the country I live in. But to be honest, I do not feel that connected with the Swedish culture nor the politics. Even though Sweden is a highly secular place, I still feel the absence of Anti Theism everywhere. I have only met three Anti Theists so far in my life, and the rest that I've met are either Atheist but still calls themselves Christian (because of tradition) or they are Atheist, but still believe that the universe is a spiritual place.
Now, where can I possibly move? Great Britain, the US etc?
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Permalink Reply by Will Faithless Sophia on -
??? Sweden is one of the most secular/nonreligious countries on the planet... but if you really want to move, try Japan.
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Permalink Reply by MB on -
Good luck moving to Japan. I understand from friends who have tried that it is almost impossible to get permannet residency.
Isnt the whoel Shinto thing still pretty entrenched their too?
MB
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Permalink Reply by Nerdlass on -
It can be difficult to get permanent residency, but you can live here through visas, and it is well worth it, in my opinion. My visa is a teaching one, which lasts 3 years... I need to get it renewed later this year... If you don't mind renewing your visa every few years, then don't count Japan out.
There is a bit of superstition here, but people are generally open-minded to belief and lack thereof, as well. From what I have seen, most people treat religion as an accessory or expression. They also are shocked when they meet Westerners who are anything but christian.
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Permalink Reply by Tom Rinker on -
Well, if you are looking to move "up" in the world, you don't want to move to the US... I can't think of much we lead in besides Military Power, and the bull-headed willingness to wave it in everyone's face. Per capita incarceration rate, maybe. We have an overpriced and under-performing health care system, educational systems corrupted by creationists, politics that give group-thinking evangelical christians a dominating say in elections, virtually prohibiting from elected office anyone who fails the supposedly prohibited religious test. And those same voting blocks that prohibit atheists from office are easily manipulated by big money plutocrats to sacrifice everyone's future for the short term gain to the already stupendously wealthy on nothing more than promises of getting the government to crap on their most hated groups (women, gays, mexicans, atheists, etc). I have no idea how bad it is in Sweden, but by just about any statistical measure I've seen, you're better off staying there.
On the other hand, if we can get about 100 million atheist immigrants, maybe we can turn this hell-hole around.....
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Permalink Reply by Jimmy Hilli on -
In a secular way, perhaps, but in other terms of my living qualifications, no. There's no big industry for the type of work I want to do, not anymore anyways, and I find the culture based on Conformist Christian thinking or neutral defense of all religions. When you attack a religion, people seem to defend it, if you are on the religious side, the same person seems to defend atheism, I don't know why they act like this, they just do. I find this behavior very disgusting and moronic and I want to part of it.
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Permalink Reply by Glen Rosenberg on -
Three cheers for antitheism. Not sure it should be the sole criterion for where you live though. On the other hand areas which are too religious should be avoided.
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Permalink Reply by Will Faithless Sophia on
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Actually on second thought come to BC, Canada :) and join us in the fight against the CONservatives and Corporatism.
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Permalink Reply by Jeremy on -
I agree, with exception of some of the rural Christian cults, bc is pretty good.
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Permalink Reply by ShashankA on -
Britain: I think Britain is a place for ethical atheism. They are atheists and skeptics, but they also care a lot about justice and ethics, including about racism, animal rights, women's rights and international relations. It is what is called secular humanism. They have maintained a good co-existence between Science and Culture.
USA: Lots of scientific skepticism here, the most you can find in the world, but not enough ethical thinking or secular humanism. This situation is however improving with time. Come to US if you want to be among the best scientific geeks in the world.
Other places: I seriously doubt.
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Permalink Reply by Meddlesome on -
A possibility that has not been mentioned yet is, Australia or New Zealand. Yes they have their share of fundies/crazies, but the prevailing culture still has a distrust of authority figures (Including Priests). This of course has its down side, even scientific authorities get put down for being know-it-alls, ie a strong anti-intellectual culture also exists (AKA why i left Aus).
M.
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Permalink Reply by Madhukar Kulkarni on -
Jimmy, whatever place you may go to, you will find that there will be some other problems you do not like. Atheism is not the only criteria for life. I am an atheist and I am living in India. If I try, I can find an atheist with great difficulty here. I am 72, you are young. Why not try to change at least the people around you and be where you are? If you have the required qualities, it will be much easier to change Sweden than to change India.
Madhukar Kulkarni.
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Permalink Reply by Jimmy Hilli on
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The arrogance that thrives in this country is disgustingly astonishing. It is not only the conformists that annoys me, but the Psuedo-Intellectual arrogance that I see very where. Sure, other countries has people that are extremely arrogant, but even though this country would suddenly dissolve its arrogance, we still would have no culture. I want to experience the world, and even though my country is secular, it is no thrilling experience.
But this was not the topic. Of course atheism is not the only criteria, but I am afraid that Sweden does not match my other important criterias for a great habital environment. And Sweden does not have the same thriving industry of film making as many other countries do, and that is a game changer for me.
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