What are the most compelling and irrefutable arguments against the existence of God?

When I say irrefutable, I mean “beyond a reasonable doubt”, as in a court of law.

 
First, we need to define the term “god”, so I will be referring to the Judeo-Christian god
of the bible who we must agree has the following attributes:

 
That god is omniscient
That god is omnipotent
That god is omnibenevolent

 
Let us also agree that the Christian bible is the true word of this god, and that it is his commandments to all humans.


Also please consider all philosophical counter arguments posed by C.S. Lewis, et’al.
Please explain and justify your argument.
For example; if you believe the Argument for Evil is compelling, please explain why the theist counter argument is not acceptable.


It could be argued for example, that god does not send any souls to hell, we send ourselves to hell by our own free will and that god has given us every opportunity to make that decision, and in our own free will, god is simply granting our request.

 
All philosophical and scientific arguments should have a justification.
For example; the bible says god created the earth and the “heavens” in 6 days, on the 7th day, he rested. We know from many disciplines of science that this cannot be true; however, it could be argued that the term "6 days" could have other biblical meaning, etc.

 

Be careful of logical falicies in forming your agruments. :) 

 

Please contribute your argument(s).

 

P.S. your argument does not need to be in your own words, you can copy and paste, just mention the source :)

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If you think I am in error.. William

 

Well you could start using etc. (et cetera) instead of ect as in ectoplasm.

You seem to be giving opinion a lot of value.

I give opinion relative value.
So do I. There are a lot of them out there to sort through, however, as everyone has one. How do you sort them out? Is science your primary tool?  
I sort out those that are that aren't reflective of reality. I tend to stick to those that are congruent with reality. And all of that is found in information theory.

"East meets West in agreement that the "Key To Life" involves mental alchemy. By seeking knowledge over opinion and by putting your mind (mind = intelligent soul) in charge of your physical actions and choices you return to the source and you become the source."

 

This is not a stated source of mine lol.. Apparently you can't read either, much less comprehend that I merely posted under the subject of that discussion lol.

 

To which I simply reply... WTF?  Busted you woo woo preacher.

 

Uhh, if you think the above is where I was arguing from, it's no wonder why you are so lost in this discussion lol.

and no... you never did explain your evidence for the three forms of energy (or states, or positions, or levels... or whatever the hell BS you called it).

 

Actually I did.. It's not my problem that you are scientifically illiterate. It amazes me that you even know how to turn your pc on, much less understand why it boots up int the first place. They say you can't teach those who are intentionally stupid because they will never bother to take the time to learn.


 

 

Why did bring up information theory? Does it have something to do with your sense of reality?

To a Christian fundamentalist, Jesus is real. Are there any areas of what you consider real that aren't science-based?

John D..

 

Do you comprehend the principles of information theory? Because it seems like you have a grade school understanding of what information theory is. And this is the position of my argument. It's information in general and it doesn't matter if you think it's energy, or a box of legos. I have plenty evidence to support information =/= energy. And the premise is that there isn't anything that could exist without informational value. This would be true even if you wanted to argue information as immaterial! The principles will remain the same.

1) You can't reply without it

2) You can't know anything without it

3) You can't do anything without it

4) You can't exist without it

5) You can't be conscious without it

6) You can't even feel, have emotions, touch, smell, taste, or hear without it.

7) You can't have intelligence, knowledge, or the ability to think or process without it.

8) No phenomenon, process, or system can exist without it or it's base principles.

9) You can't convey, transmit, or express anything without information.

10) There can be no substance, function, or value without information.

 

INFORMATION:

1) "Information is any type of sensory input and output or source to inquiry."

2) "Information as a concept has many meanings, from everyday usage to technical settings. The concept of information is closely related to notions of constraint, communication, control, data, form, instruction, knowledge, meaning, mental stimulus, pattern, energy, perception, matter, and representation."

3) "Information is any type of pattern that influences the formation or transformation of other patterns. In this sense, there is no need for a conscious mind to perceive, much less appreciate the pattern." It's the sum representation of all things.. it's what gives things relevance, substance, and meaning... It's the core to anything that has an awareness or anything that exists...A self-awareness requires a base of inquiry! An intelligence Must have knowledge to apply!, A Self identity must have knowledge to know of itself! So far, the only claim I have made is that energy =/= information. Both substance and value. They are regarded here as two sides of the same coin. 

4)

information(in·for·ma·tion)
Pronunciation:/ˌinfərˈmāSHən, ˌɪnfərˈmeɪʃən/
noun

*
1 facts provided or learned about something or someone:a vital piece of information
*
Lawa formal criminal charge lodged with a court or magistrate by a prosecutor without the aid of a grand jury:the tenant may lay an information against his landlord
*
2 what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things, or things of representation and value:genetically transmitted information
*
Computingdata as processed, stored, or transmitted by a computer.
*
(in information theory) a mathematical quantity expressing the probability of occurrence of a particular sequence of symbols, impulses, energy, matter., as contrasted with that of alternative sequences.

Or:

Things that are or can be known about a topic; Data that have been processed into a format, Any unambiguous abstract data, the smallest possible ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/information

Or:

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Information
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Physical_information
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Algorithmic_information_theory
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Free_Information_Infrastructure
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Information_theory
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Medium
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Information_processing
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Observation
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Entropy
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Systems_theory
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Cybernetics
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Library_and_Information_Science

INTELLIGENCE:

1) Intelligence is only The ability to apply knowledge in order to perform better in an environment. Or the processing of knowledge to formulate a response to stimuli..

2) Wiki: "Intelligence (abbreviated int. or intel.) refers to discrete information with currency and relevance, and the abstraction, evaluation, and understanding of such information for its accuracy and value"

KNOWLEDGE:

1) Knowledge is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as (i) expertise, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject, (ii) what is known in a particular field or in total; facts and information. Or it is awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.

2) Simple efficient definition: The collection of information on a subject or experience processed and then stored which provides a base for mechanisms such as intelligence, reason, choice, response, consciousness, and awareness... to which a method of inquiry must be based on. Hence, none of those can exist without first a base of inquiry, or the complex structure of information into a base of knowledge. There is a reason why one must always Know it exists in order to be conscious, aware, or even self-aware!

3) Knowledge is an organized body of information, or the comprehension and understanding consequent on having acquired and organized a body of facts:

 


AWARENESS:

Wiki: “Awareness is the state or ability to perceive, to feel, or to be conscious of events, objects or sensory patterns. In this level of consciousness, sensed data can be confirmed by an observer without necessarily implying understanding. To receive and respond to input.” Without information, value, or material physical property there can be no base to support an awareness.

 

 

You wand direct evidence.. I only need give 1 example. Our very own posts! Thus why do you think I point at your own posts as failures to address the argument?.. Positive, negative, and neutral governance just so happens to govern energy and information. And information just so happens to be in energy form. It's a simple observation, and a fact! 

 

"Why did bring up information theory?"

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Information is the foundation of reality. And that is what I had been arguing this entire time. Nobody even bothered to read my first post that linked to my own articles. Jesus is irrelevant because he couldn't exist either without the foundation of reality. 

Example:

A rock before you requires information to exist. This is to where itself is information, a structure of information, or source of out put and input. Hence, if there wasn't any information there to experience, perceive, or process, the rock simply would not exist!. Even empty space has information to offer!.

This isn't a philosophical argument, it's stating an obvious fact! At best it's a mind exercise to comprehend the nature of information.

 

Example 2 (And this is for John D in regards to life/death):

A rock before you requires information to exist. This is to where itself is information, a structure of information, or source of out put and input. Hence, if there wasn't any information there to experience, perceive, or process, the rock simply would not exist!. Even empty space has information to offer!.

The Tree may die or metaphorically represent it's death as a tree. However, it's death is merely a change of form because no information is ever lost. Thus if you burn the tree it becomes heat, ash, smoke, or organic carbon compounds... This isn't even a philosophical argument, it's stating a fact.

 

Typo correction from previous post:

You want direct evidence?

You are a loony!
You are apparently an idiot.

http://wfcmchicago.newsvine.com/_news/2011/02/26/6131959-platos-key...

 

This proves to me how much an idiot you are. I referenced my own argument posted under that article. And then you go and post something I never argued or even posted under that article lol.. BTW, my screen name is "TheJackel".. You might want to actually learn how to read!  I offered a counter argument to the one being posted about Plato's theory of Life lol.  Your an idiot because you even failed at your attempt to quote mine me lol. Do you even know what you are doing?.

Your debating skills need work son.

Correction: Accidentally posted the rock example twice due to copy paste error from my own article.

 

Example 2 (And this is for John D in regards to life/death):

Does a tree still exist if it is cut down and burned as firewood? Technically everything that made the tree will always exist. All the matter and energy that made the tree will continue on, and become emergent or bound to other things. Purpose is never lost, and is always self-attained, and self-attaining. So the purpose of existence is simply to exist because the opposite is impossible.

The Tree may die or metaphorically represent it's death as a tree. However, it's death is merely a change of form because no information is ever lost. Thus if you burn the tree it becomes heat, ash, smoke, or organic carbon compounds... This isn't even a philosophical argument, it's stating a fact.

John D.. It's not my fault that you improperly addressed my arguments. And the douche bag attitude didn't begin with me sir. If this is your best defense, I feel sorry for you because I tried to be polite to begin with. I came here to offer some insight and apparently you like to translate that into a magical fight of wits. Especially when you began trolling for a plea of emotion, much like you are now :/

If you don't like what I have brought to the table, too bad. I came here to share information and knowledge and not get into a childish pissing game. :/ Is this where we say "Troll is successful"?.. 

Here's a compromise.. Use your ability to ignore me, and I am sure I can do the same with you :)

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