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Permalink Reply by D R Hosie on July 9, 2010 at 2:48am

Addendum -

The main thing I'm trying to say, Miguel, is that if people take the time to give you a chance, and try to get to know you, (ie participate in your discussion) don't shit in your own bowl of wheaties and run everyone off, by trying to scold your audience. I'm bettin' it doesn't work for you in any other areas of your life either.

BTW, Kind of ironic, the name of the post, when you get right down to it.

Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on July 9, 2010 at 2:18am

Miguel Fernandes: These are the arguments made by an obstinate child - not the arguments made by adults whose self-proclaimed reasoning and logic make them superior to theists.... I wonder where were the older and wiser atheists?

Rolling their eyes because you're flogging this dead horse that doesn't even have any flesh left on it's carcass.

There is a revolving door here for indignant whiners that keep insisting on raising this subject, without so much as even looking for the dozens of existing threads on the exact same theme.

This episode helps to strengthen my belief that there is no moral imperative to knowledge. “To know the good is to do the good” is an absurdly naïve idea – sorry Socrates and Kant.

Without a guiding ethic, reason and logic become nothing more than another means of self-aggrandizement and of diminishing others no different from even the most irrational ideologies.

Oh, let me bow down and kiss your sneakers. What are you doing now other constructing a pedestal for yourself upon which you can climb and frown down your distaste at us loathsome unwashed masses?

This is the nth iteration of the same old worthless typhos that keeps choking this place up. What is it that you want? For us to go out and find some theists to hug?

Sorry. I'm sure others have already said it, and I have no intention of reading the whole thread, but respect is something that is not freely given, it is earned. When I find theists that deserve respect, I give them respect. But they are rare as hens teeth. The rest I'll treat with the same contempt that I treat most of humanity. In that way I am egalitarian, more so than you. I have no compulsion to lay patronising airs on strangers because I consider them morally defective for being rude to idiots. It's not my fault that 99.9% of theists just happen to be idiots. It's their's. If they choose to cauterise their intellect and deliberately hobble it, that is not something that is respect worthy.

Similarly, I am under no compulsion to have any respect for your meaningless waffle that claims different. You are not the first. You will not be the last. Repeating the same crap over and over does not magically make it not crap.

It’s sad that it failed so measurably.

Yes you have. But in ways you can't even begin to comprehend.

Permalink Reply by Roy The Infidel on July 9, 2010 at 5:59am

I feel sad for her loss. But, posting about your faith and religious experience giving you comfort on an Atheist site is an open invitation to disaster. We all know that. Don't push it.

I don't blame her nor the other posters. She was feeling distraught and posting that faith thingy was simply putting herself in the line of fire.

And, yes as Felch put it, these worthless typhos keep choking this place up. They just keep coming back.

Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on July 9, 2010 at 10:26am

Typhos

Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on July 9, 2010 at 10:55am

So? I was talking about Miguel's other pompous comments throughout the thread. If I didn't know better, I would think he was a theist mole trying to incite atheist "intolerance" to show his god freak pals. Theists have snuck in here before peddling the same gibberish arguments.

Permalink Reply by Miguel on July 9, 2010 at 10:34pm

How bizarre that someone that makes an effort to suggest how atheist might become more affective could be a potential infiltrator.

Maybe you could organize a virtual witch burning for me and anyone else that might be considering expressing a descending or challenging view. You could jump over to one of the evangelical websites and ask how they handle blasphemy in their flock.

Permalink Reply by Фелч Гроган on July 9, 2010 at 9:44pm

Fred, I am under no obligation to display tolerance or understanding to stupidity. The fact that the overwhelming majority of religious nutjobs are stupid, doesn't mean I treat them with contempt because they are religious - I do it because they're stupid. This thread is typhos and worthy of contempt.

Permalink Reply by Miguel on July 9, 2010 at 11:40pm

I'm sorry did my comments interrupt you from preaching to the choir?

Permalink Reply by D R Hosie on July 9, 2010 at 12:41pm

By the way - Fred . . . That wasn't you in that "Just leave Brittany alone" video, was it?

(Sorry Fred, couldn't resist :)

Permalink Reply by Diego on July 9, 2010 at 3:09pm

What you describe is one of the ways to make that scarlet A stand for "Asshole". I don't see the need to "bark" at religious people who are not necessarily engaging in an aggressive discussion. The same can be done calmly, in the way a professor, with a red pen, marks all your answers wrong. We can do that, I think. The woman you describe might also be guilty of some arrogance, thinking that her experience entitles her to go and preach non-believers, as if she were so unique. A reprimand was needed, but I don't think a harsh one.

Another issue, maybe more serious, is the image of the angry atheist that is out there. We all know that is just a stereotype, that we non-believers can be as happy as anyone. But if we want to change that view, we will need to sacrifice and do some PR, especially when engaging with others in a "public place", whether it is real or virtual.

Kudos for the thread.

Permalink Reply by Miguel on July 9, 2010 at 11:02pm

A friend of mine told me a great story about an interaction he had just his week with an evangelical Christian. On a flight from Dublin to NY we sat next to a chatty woman that had just come back from an intensive 3 month bible study.

As they talked he expressed that it was difficult for him to understand how people have a literal interpretation of the bible yet they pick and chose what they wish to follow. He pointed out that Christian often quote scripture about homosexuality being an abomination while the very same passage clearly dictates that one shall not eat pork. Despite what is stated in the bible Christians don’t forgo eating pork. He mostly asked her questions to get her to think or her own. By the time they landed in NY she had changed her mind about gay marriage.

Now, what if John D or Phil, for example, sat next to this young lady instead of my friend? From what they have said so far we would expect that they would likely have ruddily told that she was an idiot for believing such crap. They would have felt very satisfied with themselves and this young woman and anyone within earshot would have thought they were complete jerks.

So there are your choices, which of the two is more worthy of decent and intelligent people?

Permalink Reply by Miguel on July 10, 2010 at 12:45am

Fortunately you know what other people know and what they are thinking. The rest of us can only rely on more rudimentary methods like thoughtful arguments that don't insult the people we are having a polite conversation with.

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