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Permalink Reply by Atheist Andrea on July 22, 2011 at 7:18am

That was exactly my post earlier. I simply stated, "Why does someone have to believe in something?". It is because the church has made you feel like a horrible person for not believing their lame story. Money is the motivator. Millions have given money to the church because they feel like a good person does that. The vatican has more property than our government.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Ramos on July 22, 2011 at 3:30am

I had a social circle in high school and college I would occasionally hang out with that were ultra Christian. There were four of them: two brothers, their childhood friend, and a close friend of mine that went to school with them in elementary. They all battled the worst damned personal demons. Every cliche Christian family thing you can think of, with a helping of drug abuse and just plain sexual deviance.

I don't like to look down my nose at anyone morally, but, I am fairly certain I am a much better person then any of them.

Anyways, I remember being at one of their perpetual parties and the topic of god came up (have to love drunken college discussions about religion). They were passionately talking about what they would do when Jesus returned or something. When they asked me something about it, I just told them I would team up with Santa or the Easter Bunny or something. You know, it was all just toddler pretend time to me. One of them, who I considered a really good friend (the bastard even literally saved my life when we were surfing once) went ape sh*t and went into a long tirade about how I was going to burn in hell and what not. The others dog piled. It didn't end in an ABC Family-like segment of me storming off or whatever, but the night didn't exactly end well.

Never hung out with them again.

Fast forward to last month, I stopped by an old neighborhood haunt to pick up some lasagna. I see that guy there. Still driving the same jeep from 10 years ago, but whatever. He is ever so polite and wants me to go to his brothers wedding. I smile and do the adult thing, chat with him, trade numbers.

Still not decided if I should be an adult about the whole thing and go, or blow him off.

Oh as a side note, I bumped into his other super Christian friend years before that was running a sporting goods store, and he gave me his new Christian hip hop CD. It was his face on the cover, looking skyward solemnly and pointing towards Heaven.

These guys. Maybe I'll go for the laughs.

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Permalink Reply by Rob van Senten on July 22, 2011 at 5:43am

Still not decided if I should be an adult about the whole thing and go, or blow him off.

Ehm, you can be an adult and blow him off. You are your own person and as far as I know you have no obligations to these people that used to call themselves friends.

 

Why would you play and pretend at a wedding and, more importantly, why would you think that's it's the adult thing to do?

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Ramos on July 22, 2011 at 7:17am

Whoa putting words in a mouth.

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Permalink Reply by Rob van Senten on July 22, 2011 at 7:40am

Sorry Jeff Ramos, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I was just surprised by your remark (that I quoted), especially considering the experiences that you shared about these former (?) friends.

 

I'm surprised, so that's why I asked all those questions, it wasn't meant to push you in a corner or to put words in your mouth. I'm sorry if it came across as such, but I'm just honestly surprised/intrigued.

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Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on July 22, 2011 at 6:58am

This is the kind of mealy-mouthed statement that classes with "love the sinner, hate the sin" that you get when believers talk about homosexuals.  Ultimately, it IS condescending and deserves to be treated as such.

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