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The  news of the loss of Robin Williams is saddening. I however can't help feeling that it is the shared delusion of a better place to go that was likely the cause. This is not a new idea as suicide to speed along the journey to "heaven" that caused the church to announce that it was a sin. Those who say religion isn't harmful if practiced alone I believe are mistaken or have never lost a loved one who was alone with their ideas of a better place. Maybe this idea is ill timed, but I have seen many instances where life was lost due to someone hoping for the promised land because their ideas were allowed to manifest unchallenged.

Just my thoughts

Scot

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F31, when Michael says the USofA is a long way down the list in healthcare outcomes, he is correct. 

A recent National Geographic compared in a graph the world's nations on healthcare costs and outcomes.

In the USofA, COSTS ARE FAR HIGHER THAN IN ANY OTHER NATION. Outcomes are a long way down the list.

The condition has existed for decades.

It's true that we look like crap when compared with other industrialized nations.

The challenge with any health care system is to find the sweet spot among three factors, cost, quality of care and access to care. One question - how many insurance companies are declaring bankruptcy? They're laughing all the way to the bank while we suffer and bicker pointlessly about how to fix something that the people pulling the strings and benefiting have no wish to fix.

Freethinker, a person can get excellent heathcare if they can afford it. Which leaves out the majority of people. I can't afford to write a check for a balance of 14 thousand dollars on a 24 hour stay. And shouldn't have to.
It's bullshit. And the rich get richer...

k.h......So sorry  about  your horrible  experience...Are you not eligible  for medicaid?   or   maybe  the  state or federal  exchanges?     I was under the impression  that the  ACA , considering  the person took advantage of it, would  eliminate such  obscene  charges.....You have every right  to  be angry..and should report this abuse, if you are in a state or federal exchange....  

Freethinker, we have insurance. That's the deductible and copay! It's a very common problem in working people who used to be middle class. Insurance companies are breaking our backs. Less than twenty years ago our insurance had a 500 deductible. It's gone up to 3500. Plus twenty percent of approved charges after the deductible is meet. It's breaking every family l know. Especially the ones in the middle class who are middle aged.
Obama care is the best thing that's happened. I know a lot of families who had no insurance before it went into effect.

I have severe problems with Obamacare. 

And it doesn't help to be told that most people are happy with it. 

According to a recent national poll, most people are not happy with Obamacare. 

But even if they were, the problem with healthcare systems like this is that bureaucracies and insurance co's have too much power over healthcare.  It should be a matter between a person and their doctor. 

And people with unusual problems like me, fall through the cracks. 

Future. That bag of saline is up to 25 dollars now. Probably more in many areas.
It's much worse than you think.

http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2013/08/27/the-secret-of-sal...

"An older woman and her young grandson were charged $787 and $393, respectively, for "IV therapy." The patients were covered by an HMO under Medicaid and spent just a few hours at the hospital, but the HMO did not reimburse most of the cost of the IV.
One patient privately insured through Aetna at another hospital was charged $91 for a unit of saline solution that cost the hospital 86 cents, according to a hospital spokesperson who told Bernstein that the markup is "consistent with industry standards" and includes "related services and processes." The patient was also charged $127 for administering the IV and $893 for ED services. She ended up paying $100 out of pocket for her visit."

US profit motivated industry standards. Yes, THAT is the problem.

Future, a lot of that is caused by higher pricing that may occur if you have insurance. They explain it away somehow, but how could you get something cheaper without insurance? Sometimes people do. I call this practice double dipping.

I get offended by being charged $45 for a $7 bottle of wine at a restaurant. Referring to paying $91 for an 86 cent bag of saltwater as "industry standard" makes my blood boil.

@k.h.  Was this before or after ACA?   The new Health care law is supposed to address tis greed...

it's getting better, but as long as greed  profit is the motivator then health will suffer.

In my opinion even the not for profit companies are doing a terrible job of delivering effective health care. I think the education system for doctors is tainted and broken as well because of the profit motive.

I'm not anti ACA. I'd like to see an expanded http://www.medicaid.gov/

Perhaps the Governors in some states who refuse to assist their ill citizens are just blatant racists, or think old and sick people are a scourge on society.

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