years have passed, since i started watching atheist vs theist discussions. I even took part in some of them (as the heretic of course), and i noticed, that most discussions about the existense of god have the same pattern. The atheist tries to present all kinds of rational arguments, but in the end, he/she can't convince the believer to stop being one. Yet, all over the internet, non-believers repeatedly commit the mistake of trying to convince believers with rational arguments. We are the ones, who should know the best, that believers aren't religious for rational reasons. Why are we doing this then ?