Since I'm Young! From What I'm Told I Should Know Atheism Is INDEED a Religion

So As In My Discussion I've Been Having This Dispute And It Doesn't Seem To Be Going Any Where Because To Me Their Not Making Any Sense Or Maybe Its Just Me Being Hard Headed  It Started With The Whole Article In My Last Discussion Could I Be The One Who's Dumb???


Jennifer Ann Natal
Jennifer Ann Natal 
I Beg To Differ..By Saying Atheist Are Closed Minded People...I'm An Atheist And I'm Very Open Minded As Well As The Atheist Friends I Have We Would Never Would Have Became Or Brought Up As An Atheist If We Were Closed Minded See People Who Write Articles Like That Obviously Don't Use Both Perspectives While Writing The Article But I Can See Where You Would Think Were Closed Minded Because We Don't Wanna Take In The Story Of God It's Because Its Nothing New Most Atheist Read The Bible Did The Whole Religion Thing and It Obviously Didn't Make Sense Or It Sounded Like Another FairyTale I Personally Believe I'm A Better Person For Shooting Down Religion In My Life
6 hours ago ·  · 
D'Anna Leanore King
D'Anna Leanore King 
dont you think, that by thinking that rejecting religion means you're now a "better" person that you're demonstrating traits exactly like those that Tally brought up? The problem is, everyone has the mentality that because they beleive a certain way it makes them "better" in some way... and that's not really true.
2 hours ago · 
Jennifer Ann Natal
Jennifer Ann Natal 
Not At All I Know I Am A Better Person For Refusing Religion & I have my personel experiences to back me up And The Person Who Wrote This Article Obviously Knows Nothing Of Atheism
2 hours ago ·  · 
Talasan Nicholson
Talasan Nicholson 
I'm tired, as I just woke, but I'd go as far to say atheism is a fad.
about an hour ago · 
Jennifer Ann Natal
Jennifer Ann Natal 
a fad is something temporary Atheism has been around much longer
about an hour ago ·  · 
D'Anna Leanore King
D'Anna Leanore King 
you do realize that Atheism is considered a religion, right? and placing yourself on a place above others is highly close-minded. you're continuing to contradict yourself. & You're commenting about this article on the person who wrote it's page. Because unless I'm mistaken, Tally wrote the article of which you speak. My family has people of all religions, and my 60 something year old grandfather is smart enough to know that because Atheism is a religion, he's rather be considered Agnostic, and simply because he's an educated man that has devoted his life to studying philosophy... I'm inclined to agree with him in thinking that you're statements are ignorant and ill thought. He's got a better understanding of religion than all three of us.. and after showing him you're comments, even he thinks you're ignorantly claiming a religion you yourself don't understand.
51 minutes ago · 
Talasan Nicholson
Talasan Nicholson 
In other words, joining any side and defending it so righteously is arrogant.
41 minutes ago · 
Jennifer Ann Natal
Jennifer Ann Natal 
So Ask Your Grandfather this for me EXPLAIN EXACTLY how Atheism is a religion...Your grandfather would have to be the first agnostic i've ever heard of who agrees that atheism is a religion
21 minutes ago ·  · 
Talasan Nicholson
Talasan Nicholson 
That's because you are young.
19 minutes ago · 
Jennifer Ann Natal
Jennifer Ann Natal 
Your about as young as me
4 minutes ago ·  · 

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Atheism does not make a person better. I am not necessarily a better person than a theist, because I am an atheist. Likewise, a theist is not necessarily a better person than I am, simply because they believe in a god. In the first place, how do you define "better person?"

The only thing atheists are guaranteed to have in common is that they don't believe the existence of a god. Some atheists may be friendly, some irascible. Some atheists may be social, some isolated. Some atheists may do works of charity, some may be selfish.

Another thing which I might expect atheists to have in common, is that we find no basis in atheism, for how a person ought to be. Certainly, since the atheist does not believe in any god, then we must surely also agree that people who do believe in "God" are mistaken.

Just Jay: {Atheism itself is not a religion, but a philosophy that is entirely based on evidence.}

I'd say that atheism is a way of thinking, in which people derive philosophies, relying on evidence and reasoning. I make it my mission, to know what the reasons and evidence given by theists for their beliefs are, and to have counters for them.

Theists seem to have a malleable definition of what their god happens to be - altered to try and keep it as sensible as they can in the light of contradictory evidence. There are many arguments to show that all of the variations of gods, which have been deemed worthy of consideration by both sides, are in fact not logical, or are incoherent or are impossible.

That is why theist must keep recasting their ideas about what god is. When they realise that version 2010.7 of god is shown to be wrong, they must remodel their conception into version 2010.71 or whatever. I take that as evidence that god is not real, but made up by them.

So I don't think that I'm a better person because I'm atheist. In many ways, I am probably worse than some other people, depending on how you define what "better" is, among people. What I do hold to be precious is the TRUTH, and that would include the existence of a god, if it were true, but so far, I find it not to be.

Just Jay {Atheism is not a religion. Atheism rejects the idea of all religion.}

This is quite right. Atheism has no gods, no rites and no dogma. We reject religion, (for which a god would be required). It has been expressed thus:-

Atheism is no more a religion, than not collecting stamps counts as a hobby.
Atheism is no more a religion, than baldness counts as a hair colour.
Very solid points my friend, it just opened a new level of thought for me.
Her grandfather needs to get his definitions straight. If he has spent his life studying philosophy, then he should realise that agnosticism and atheism are not incompatible with each other: they can co-exist quite happily and in fact, atheism can be an extension of agnosticism.

If the grandfather really thinks that rejecting religious claims requires your own religion, then he's an idiot. But more than likely, he's simply ignorant about the precise definitions. In fact, agnosticism in a philosophical sense is much more a faith position than atheism is.

Facebook is not a good place for long and detailed discussions though.
Atheism is a religion, we've no dogma other than acceptance of reality over perception. Our sacred texts are written in provable scientific theories, and mathematical certainties. Our mythology is the collected fictions of mankind, which passes on the moral and ethical lessons of history and the individual artists that create them. Other religions limit themselves to a few authors and ideas, and adhere to them rigidly.

Any good Atheist should know that there is a chance that your belief in human sciences may be completely off and the great turtle is indeed out there sneezing the universe into existence. But remember its not hubris to tell the person who believes the sky is made of turtles that they are wrong, because they are wrong and your belief in the atomic structure is not.
Religion . . . a definition :-

http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=religion

Noun: religion ri'li-jun

1. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
"he lost his religion but not his morality";
- faith, religious belief, belief

2. An institution to express belief in a divine power
"he was raised in the Baptist religion";
- faith, organized religion, organised religion [Brit]

Atheism does not meet the requirements of a religion, (see above). Nothing is worshipped, nothing is praised, nothing is required - except an inability to accept that some supernatural god exists. After that its open slather.

R. Ryan Nelson {Our sacred texts are written in provable scientific theories}

Science does not prove theories. Science fails to disprove them. It is in the nature of ethical science, to test theories in such a way that they might be disproved. If disprooof does not occur, the theories still stand - as tentative descriptions of how the universe operates. Nothing in science is sacred, but the scientific method has been designed to make our observations about the universe as valid as we possibly can.

The evidence we have does not support a sky of turtles, and the evidence so far supports a description of the universe in terms of atoms and energy and mass and so on and so forth. All of what we know comes via perception. What science does is to follow methodologies where perceptions are compared with those of other people, then tested including by the use of instruments, and recorded rigorously, so that claims for reality can be checked repeatedly and with replicability, by anyone, and shown to be the same for all people who try it.

There is no other source but our perceptions. Claims for god and the supernatural are perceptions, derived from the brains of individuals and groups of individuals. So too, our knowledge as reported in science is derived from perceptions. We attempt to perceive what exists independent of our minds, (unless we are studying the mind), then we propose, we test, we share, we allow others to try it too. We use logic, and then we conclude on an ongoing, tentative basis.

To hark back to the OP, in my mind, that does not make me better than theists; yet I still think they are mistaken, because there is good reason to think that way - reasons based on the scientific way of viewing the world - ie. where people's perceptions are compared and tested by repetition, and recorded rigorously, so that any claims for reality can be tested repeatedly and with replicability, by anyone.
Atheism is the lack of belief in any god or gods. Period.
Agnosticism is the lack of knowledge of any god or gods. Period.

Neither have anything to do with religion, which is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. (from Dictionary.com)

The lack or absence of any belief or knowledge does not suddenly constitute a "set of beliefs".
Religion: Social systems whose participants avow belief in a supernatural agent or agents whose approval is to be sought.

By my (stolen) definition, uh nope not a religion.
I have had this discussion as well. Atheism (a) no / without (theism) religion. It usually comes down to the other parties lack of understanding on what atheism is. I for one was on the other side of that fence at one point in my life.
It for sure fails to fall under religion, but you could make a religion based around atheism. But that doesn't make it a religion.
Atheism is neither a religion, a philosophy or anything other than a rejection of a claim.


The claim is "God exists." Atheism is the rejection of that claim.

Claiming atheism is a religion is like claiming pedestrianism is a car brand.
Religion religion that word is everywhere.Just to add to some of the other comments posted before.Atheism a religion very unlikely cuz as an Atheist or a freethinker etc,I worship no one I can admire a fellow atheist work just as the next man,but u don't see me or other atheist blowing ourselves up in the name of darwin,Galileo,etc. I think u r missing the point for what I gather and correct me if I'm wrong but but we don't become atheist to save ourselves we do it because we feel there is a better way to become a better human being.By trying to assimilate a this revolution to a deaf,dumb, and blind dogma not only do u offend but ur definition of the word is totally wrong.Hit the books kids it pays.
Attacking hte age of the debater not the topic itself is a form of Ad Hominem debating. If people resort to this it is usually because tyhey cannot answer your points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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