apparently i'm not the only one who has noticed. so what's going on here? i don't think he wants to win us back to the faith. i think he relates better to us than he does his own followers. he has condemned most of what current Christianity is all about. yet over and over again he calls to us. why might that be?
his followers are largely intolerant, dogmatic, and indifferent to the needs of the poor. meanwhile, pews are empty and the flock has been leaving the pasture. young people in particular are turned off to what the Christian religion has to offer. any sane and smart person would recognize the need for change given the current landscape.
so who can best support his mission? certainly not the current flock. they are so far gone from what their religion supposedly teaches that it will take a generation to bring them back. but atheists - well, we despise what the church is about and so does the Pope. while we may differ in our thoughts on heavenly beings, we share many of the same values.
so here's what i'm thinking. while Francis has several goals for his Papacy. his number one goal is to do something about income inequality and to help the poor. frankly, i don't think he cares where the support comes from. if he is indeed a smart man, he no doubt recognizes that we are a growing demographic that will only get bigger. we also tend to hold humanistic views which aren't so incompatible with the traditional Christian teachings. why not align yourself with a group that can help advance your agenda, even if it is people who don't believe in God.
ok, so i know that most of you are deeply skeptical of the Pope. and i know that i'm A/N's chief Papal rah rah guy. my opinion is that the guy doesn't give two shits about all the religious crapola that most Christians hold dear. i think he's on a mission to make the world a better, more rational place. as we are. if i'm wrong we'll know in time. for now, Pope Francis is asking, over and over again, for us to join him in a mission that most of us share. i think it's one of the most surprising developments that i've seen in my lifetime.
i hear ya Joan, and hear similar criticisms from others. here's the thing - what are the odds that we'd agree with a Pope of all people on so many issues? do we agree with him on everything? of course not. but i have family members with whom i agree with about zero percent of the time, while i agree with a healthy percentage of Francis' message.
Joan, I assume you are referencing the infamous "Pope Joan" who allegedly reigned for a short period during Medieval times while masquerading as a man. (I saw the stage play back in the 90's. A very good production.) Modern historians have come to the conclusion that the Pope Joan story is just a fictional legend. The "facts" pertaining to Pope Joan were widely circulated for centuries. The myth was so prevalent and convincing that past historians and even some in the hierarchy of the Catholic Church believed the story to be true. It appears to be one of the great urban legends of mankind.
Dang, all the interesting stories turn out to be fabrications. I went to the spot where Pope Joan was slaughtered ... and it was fabricated. I also sat on a wall where Mary was taken after Jesus was crucified ... and it was fabricated. Who can one trust if we can't trust the legends?
We have a very odd family. All the men of my childhood were bullies and thugs, hurting us kids just for the pleasure of seeing us cry and bleed. This era, in my family, the men who are our members were at one time the macho type and disgusting. My daughter and granddaughters refused to accept them as they were, put their feet down, bowed their necks, issued ultimatums and the men gentled down. Not a thug in the bunch. My son-in-law is firm yet gentle; he sets high standards and lives up to them without tyranny. I used to leave their home in tears, he was such a thug. No more!
One of my sons is very gentle, even as he has high expectations for his sons to do well at school and encourages them in whatever interests them, i.e music, sports, mathematics, art. He has gentled down nicely.
One of my sons was a thug and brute of the first order. Why would he be otherwise, his father and both grandfathers were physically, mentally and emotionally cruel men. He has become very tender, kind and considerate. He is very gentle with me. I can't believe he could make that change so completely.
We females of the family made decisions, one at a time, and now all together, we will not tolerate men who are not compassionate and caring. We expect them to be strong, but not cruel.
What if my grandmothers and mother had been able to make such a decision and be able to support themselves? I wonder ....?
Women are often not very compassionate towards other women.
Towards men they tend to be compassionate, but nurturing males in various ways is part of the female role.
I've only seen that supposed call for women's ordination in a post in the satirical blog Diversity Chronicles, which puts the pope's "reforms" in the context of the Third Vatican Council which hasn't actually happened.
(When I read the article, I thought "If only!" It also included a degree of tolerance of atheists -- who "acknowledge God" "through acts of love and charity", a statement that "all religions are true" because they're true in believers' hearts, and a ringing condemnation of racism.)
According to Snopes, the piece was widely circulated and quoted in social media, with many people mistaking it for genuine news.
thanks Grinning. i had read that as well and must admit i found it highly suspicious. i tried to verify it but came up empty. glad that's cleared up.
I do not for a moment believe that the Pope's call to atheists shows that he is any different. The Pope is well aware of the situation around him in Europe where atheism has taken strong roots and he is certainly aware that the bastions of Christianity, the US and the Ireland are crumbling. Science and atheists have advanced strong arguments for disbelief in god that would convince any reasonably intelligent person and that person would then see that his religion and god are under a sieige from atheists. This is would be enough for him to call for peace.
I must agree........I do not believe this pope is anything more than a weak attempt to salvage a sinking ship.......it has been long over due for people to break away from superstitionr,hate and fear. The catholic church has had many years of child abuse,murders, lying and greed to prove that the only god of religion is man........they have had all these centuries to voice their opinions and now it is time for them to shut up and go away.........