“Sin, even for those who have no faith, is when one goes against their conscience,” he added. “To listen and to obey to (one’s conscience) means to decide oneself in relation to what’s perceived as good and evil. And this decision is fundamental to determining the good or evil of our actions.”

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The "fall" of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden was a result of their disobedience to God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  In other words, they were expelled from paradise because they developed the adult human capacity to make their own judgements about good and evil.  

St. Augustine said this was the "original sin" of all humans and that they were predestined to eternal torture in hell because of it.  Now Pope Francis, head of St. Augustine's Catholic Church, reverses the doctrine of original sin and tells us that we sin only when we do not follow our own judgements about good and evil!  So what about all those millions of people that the Catholic Church condemned to hell for original sin in the past?

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“Sin, even for those who have no faith, is when one goes against their conscience.”

I can just feel the subordinates at the Vatican cringing at that statement.  Once done cringing, they'll be firing up their word processors to comment on what Francis said, reminding their sheep that certain actions are sins, whether conscience is involved or not.  A gay man or Lesbian woman may be perfectly fine with their homosexuality; the church is NOT.

I foresee a great number of such intramural arguments between Francis and the rest of the Holy See as it comes to this topic and others.

There's no such thing as sin. It doesn't exist. Sin is defined as a transgression against the law of god. No god means there's no law of a non-existent being. As such, there can be no transgression against a non-existent being's law.  Ergo, no such thing as sin.

There is immorality and evil in the world. But, good and bad are defined by societies, and change as those societies evolve over time. What was considered moral at one point in time is now immoral, and vice versa. Returning a runaway slave to its master was, at one time, considered moral. Now, slavery is evil. The open acknowledgement of a loving relation between two members of the same sex used to be immoral (and to the troglodytes who live among us, still is).  But, now among the enlightened and rational, it is a normal relationship.

Honestly, I don't need Pope Frankie the Gaucho telling me to obey my conscience. I figured that out a long time ago. And, without the guidance of the leader of a institution devoted to the promulgation of superstition and child torture. "God's mercy has no limits." Nice try, buckaroo. But there is no such thing as god's mercy. There's only man-made belief in the non-existent. And, I certainly don't need any patronizing and condescending pronouncements from the head of an organization that sucks money out the poor and destitute, keeps them uneducated, and promotes misery and death while living in the lap of luxury, to justify my life. 

There's no such thing as sin.

Pat, you either didn't go to Catholic schools or you've forgotten what you learned there.

But it's true that imaginary beings have no limits.

Ohh, I went to Catholic School, alright. St. Therese of Lisieux - not to be confused with St. Teresa of Avila. Can't keep your saints straight with the holy card collection. Although, it could just have easily and more accurately been dubbed Our Lady of Perpetual Agony.  Though, I do have to say, having been a member of the Knights of the Altar (altar boy), I was never messed with. Guess I was the ugly one.

Now Pope Francis ... reverses the doctrine of original sin and tells us that we sin only when we do not follow our own judgements about good and evil!  So what about all those millions of people that the Catholic Church condemned to hell for original sin in the past?

They'll probably get a "Get Out Of Hell Free" card, just like Catholics who ate meat on Fridays outside of Lent. :)

You can actually buy GOOHF cards from Randy Cassingham's site getoutofhellfree.com!

And Pat, you're right on, "sin" is actually an artificial construct of religion. Fictional characters can have emotions and promulgate rules in their fictional worlds; the problem occurs when people perpetuate Dominator Culture by trying to impose the Ultimate (Make-Believe) Dominator's bullying on the rest of us.

Sin is when one goes against their conscience

I thought of self-betrayal when I read this - the times when I've known what I needed to do but I didn't do it. And I have pretty much always regretted that later. 

If Francis continues talking that way, the news media might soon tell us he died unexpectedly.

"Preacher, if I did this or that, is that a "sin?"

SIN as defined in the New Pesterment by the one who stole the apostleship is compared to an archer shooting at his target, but missing the mark. In other words, you tried but did not hit the "bullseye". Compare that now to religious thinking and whether or not you "pleased God."

ORIGINAL SIN as in the Garden of Eden would appear to be mankind wanting the knowledge of good and evil while God did not want his creatures to have this knowledge. Why we have missed the mark by wanting to know good from evil is beyond me.

To those millions condemned to hell..... "never mind!"

That's all the catholic church needs at this point: an "Emily Litella" moment!

Further research on my part has reminded me that the view that Pope Francis is expressing has been common in his Jesuit order since the 16th century--and has been bitterly controversial among other Catholics ever since.

Who the hell is that wanker to tell other people how to think and what to do.

He has spent his life playing a role and avoiding intimacy with other people. He is an undeveloped foetus who has never had natural relationships with people. He has probably masturbated a lot in his life.

Theology is nonsense. I'm not at all interested in what this 'jerk off' has to say.

The pope can get fucked.

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