I'm 60 something and a quilter. Also a former math teacher with a lot of other things that I enjoy. I belong to some online quilting groups that I enjoy as they give me information that I can't obtain anywhere else. HOWEVER, on one of my favorite groups someone has a tagline that reads "Life's biggest decision is what you do with Jesus." And now someone has replied " I love your line 'Life’s biggest decision is what you do with Jesus.' How true."
I see where this is going, having tried to join quilting groups where everyone asks me "what church do you belong to?". I'm ready to explode! I love this group but I wonder if I should:
a. Have a tagline of my own (suggestions?)
b. Just write that I wish we could be members of a wonderful quilting group such as this and leave religion at the door? I'm afraid that if I make this request I will be rejected and then will have to join as a new member keeping my real identity a secret.
What do you think I should do? I'm afraid of making the wrong decision and having to leave the group but on the other hand, I need to grow a pair (as they say) :) and tale a stand!
Please let me know what you think as I can't seem to decide.
Christine, I just love this idea and may try it on another site but not here as I'm trying to keep the group's focus on quilting/sewing, not on JC. My post asking that the religious references be stopped has yet to appear so either the moderator hasn't decided what to do or he's decided to not post my "offering". On the other hand, there have been no posts since then that mention religion so just maybe he's stopped their postings too.
I sure hope so.
Maybe I should sign up again at my quilting site under a pseudonym and object again if there are more references. I really didn't intend to spend time or energy on this but now am beginning to feel it's really time to take more of a stand on some other sites as well.
That's good! One of my husband's sisters is very in your face born again and drives a Mercedes. We joke about finding a WWJD? bumper sticker and putting it on for her. While I think you should be able to buy any car you want and can afford, it doesn't seem like that would be JC's choice.
What Would a Freethinker Do?
To me, that's a more dangerous question. Jesus never owned a car -- or a camel or an ass. But a freethinker has to decide when a purchase is for function and when it's for show. Do I need a bigger house for the family, or should I be giving more? Is a Mercedes for safety or flash? Questions like those carry us into perilous waters. This isn't the site for that discussion, but maybe I should introduce it. Or, since it's your question, you might want to.
Jerry, good point and feel free to introduce it. The Mercedes in question was one of those little sports cars so....
I LOVE your idea, Christine. Have them start a holy war with each other, over who loves them some Jesus the most! Hahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!
*I would respond to a religious statement with some question, I don't know what, but directly aimed at it.
*Why do you think that?
*Do you really believe that?
*What do you mean by ...?
*What is your evidence?
*So you mean ...?
*Does this make sense to you?
*Have you thought of ...?
*That bible quote contradicts another claim (I can never remember biblical books and versus, so not useful to me).
Peter Boghossian says honesty and humility.
Boghossian's Chapter 5 gives good examples of the Socratic method:
Stages using Socratic method:
1. Wonder: Someone (subject) wonders something
2. Hypothesis: Speculative responses to a question posed in stage 1.
3. Elenchus (Q & A): A logical refutation; call the subject's hypothesis into question and show that it is false.
4. Accept or Revise Hypothesis: The subject accepts or rejects the new hypothesis; a new hypothesi is given if the new hypothesis is rejected, repeat cycle.
5. Act Accordingly: Subject will act upon inquiry, or not. "If the arguments that emerge from the elenchus cannot refute the hypothesis, then the hypothesis stands. It’s vital to reiterate that if the hypothesis stands this does not mean one has found eternal truth. This simply means the hypothesis is accepted as provisionally true."
~ Boghossian, Peter (2013-10-26). A Manual for Creating Atheists (p. 101). Pitchstone Publishing. Kindle Edition.
Hmm, guess you could simply ignore the religious stuff, but if they start asking what you think, honesty is important.
If you get kicked off, wait a while, sign back on under another name, and when they start asking the new gal what "she" believes, ask if it's relevant- you love the site but don't want to shift the focus.
If it's not advertised as a "Christian quilting" site, then there's no reason it should be like that.
If you want to stay in the group you'll have to ignore it. (How could you even think of making a quilt without Jesus?)
You can always tell them that you belong to The Church of Satan.