Please help me maintain some sanity... It just isn't true!

I'm 60 something and a quilter.  Also a former math teacher with a lot of other things that I enjoy.  I belong to some online quilting groups that I enjoy as they give me information that I can't obtain anywhere else.  HOWEVER, on one of my favorite groups someone has a tagline that reads "Life's biggest decision is what you do with Jesus."  And now someone has replied " I love your line 'Life’s biggest decision is what you do with Jesus.' How true." 

I see where this is going, having tried to join quilting groups where everyone asks me "what church do you belong to?".  I'm ready to explode!  I love this group but I wonder if I should:

a. Have a tagline of my own (suggestions?) 


b.  Just write that I wish we could be members of a wonderful quilting group such as this and leave religion at the door?   I'm afraid that if I make this request I will be rejected and then will have to join as a new member keeping my real identity a secret.

What do you think I should do?  I'm afraid of making the wrong decision and having to leave the group but on the other hand, I need to grow a pair (as they say) :) and tale a stand! 

Please let me know what you think as I can't seem to decide.


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Hi Ceil. Don't take the Satan thing too seriously. I was just being facetious to lighten the mood. Being Canadian & polite what I often tell believers is "Sorry, but I just don't share your beliefs" & leave it at that. If they push I gently, but firmly, tell them that my beliefs are private & not up for discussion. If they're still bugging me then I go all Satan on their ass! Not! Just kidding. If a believer does not respect my boundaries I know that person is just a Bible Bully so I refuse to talk to them or, if they won't stop harassing me, report them to whoever is in charge.

Please note that I rarely have to do this do this. My social circle is made up of artists, actors, & other creative people most of whom are openly agnostic, atheist & even rabidly anti-theistic.

Incidentally, I sometimes refer to myself as an "Atomic Realist". It's catchy & a nod to the greek natural philosophers known as Atomists. It's also easier to say than Metaphysical Naturalist.

My current favorite tag line "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice"

Love this!

In the age of information, ignorance is a choice

Not just yes but HELL, YES!  Ignorance as a choice is a boat anchor on all of us, holding us back, restraining progress while failing to recognize the ubiquity of benefits science and informed, disciplined knowledge has brought us.  Such people want to wear blinders, "god glasses," as Seth Andrews calls them, either because they have been taught to be fearful of knowledge or because they have an agenda which depends on maintaining the tunnel vision of others.

These are people who want to live life sleepwalking.  Methinks it's time to wake 'em up!

Here here, I'll drink to that! My favorite journalist, Charles Pierce with Esquire Magazine, sometimes refers to weaponized ignorance, and he's got a point. It's not only a choice for the gullible followers, it's a choice for those who intentionally cultivate it as well. The corporate world and the religious freaks learned this trick originally from the tobacco companies and it's now refined into the art and science of twisting the truth and casting doubt on expertise known as marketing, which has become a synonym for brainwashing.

Ignorance has nothing to do with anything. Religious people are religious because that is what they were taught and the first things people are taught are usually the things that stay with a person no matter what new information the person learns; when religionists learn why religion is false/ bad for you, they still have to do their religion in order to avoid feeling too guilty due to the possibility of not doing what they were taught to do. There are multiple kinds of intelligence
- data-information-knowledge-wisdom;
ability to learn new skills one is taught(tying knots, playing musical instruments);
Ability to invent new skills or techniques or games or discover new information;
Instincts, ability to do basic living functions, ability to avoid feeling guilty for having basic needs, and so on;
Ability to use logic/ rational reasoning/ cause and effect.
Ability to distinguish between fact and fiction, what is healthy and what is bad for you, what is real and what is imaginary, between what behaviors hurt other people and which behaviors are neutral or help other people;
Ability to prevent oneself from doing what one was taught which is bad after one already knows it is wrong...
To say religionists are ignorant might or might not be accurate and it is too simple and does not tell you which kinds of knowledge any individual can or cannot handle...
Try this "Proud to be a thread in the tapestry of life."

Another suggestion, for what it's worth:

T-shirts with this logo are available in multiple places.  Google around a bit and you'll find 'em.

That's poetic!

No need to use the "A" word off the bat, merely say that you're secular, or a humanist, or that you escaped the clutches of religion. It's important to be honest for others who might be lurking, or wanting to be open about their own non-belief.

I can understand your reluctance to delve into the intellectual part of it, and I too find it frustrating. I feel forced to read the bible now (the Annotated version anyway!) in order to better arm myself against those who rely so heavily upon it. It's not so bad- if so many people use this book, I might as well get familiar with it.

And religious people are impressed when you can quote it, so they can't use the "But have you REALLY read the bible??" defense. Even funnier when you can quote stuff they're conveniently overlooked, or something that contradicts a quote they used.

My atheist co-worker asked me the other day, as he contemplated the vast amount of atheist information online and in book form, "So it really does seem like just another religion? Could that be true?" I told him no, it's simply a position of nonbelief and that's IT.

"Problem is, we're forced into this position of having to learn more so that we can defend ourselves better, rather than constantly hearing the same convoluted arguments and twisted logic. We need to educate the religious. It's more like a support group than a religion."


I do like your idea of being honest for others who might be lurking.

Frankly, the religious seem to have so many arguments that I don't think even a biblical scholar could answer enough for them to listen.  They believe what they need and want to believe, devoid of reality, reason, or sanity.  I'm spending my time on things that interest me.  Their need to convert the world is not mine.

Thank you! Love this and will use it.  Found a lot of negative references to it when checking online. It seems to be quite the beloved phrase (if you change reality to god, of course) among a certain group of people.  But I liked it even before realizing its former use.


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