Opinions anyone? The more I hear about it the more I appreciate it. Yeah, sure it's like the tea partiers, except these people seem to be more invested and willing to stay to make a point. It's all Rush and Beck can whine about lately, and despite the few advocating anarchy and communism, the main message seems to be about releasing this country from the strangle hold that business and corporations have on government. It's been a long time coming...

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This is now how I reply to all ads I get online from any and all vendors.

 

If you really want us to buy your products, how about not contributing to the campaigns of budget-slashing politicians who are killing are economy and our jobs.  If you're not already, then maybe you can tell your business acquaintances who are.

 

Eric Stone

Not bad Eric. Change it to "our economy and our jobs", and it's a pretty good retort.

Too long!  The trend of stagnated wages started showing up in U.S. Census about 1975 or '80.  I bought my first computer with a statistical analysis program that year and loaded in some data from the Colonial period to the then present.  If one looked at standards of living for those very early days, workers, widows, orphaned children, elderly, disabled physically and mentally had terrible living conditions.  Things started to improve for working people after the Civil War and then the numbers really jumped during and after the Johnson presidency to higher standards for those who had been disadvantaged ... except the Viet Nam war siphoned off much of the upward mobility until the war ended.  The Cold War changed, wages stagnated, the upper 10% began to grow, working class flattened out and continue to this day. Working people and those who were saving for retirement and college for their kids, had to scramble.  Sadly, many chose to borrow money, then use credit cards with heavier loads than they could afford.  Housing values rose creating a sense of confidence until the bubble burst.  Now, with heavy debts, houses worth less than their mortgages, losing jobs, jobs going overseas, the growing numbers of people becoming millionaires and falling numbers of people falling below the middle class line, the whole economy stagnates, even those countries who benefited by business moving there from the U.S.  

 

Austerity program???? Someone has got to be kidding!!!!  We are looking at the wrong end of the beast.  People who work for wages, who live on pensions, the handicapped physically and mentally, and now the growing numbers of war wounded becoming dependent on the public purse, have worsening conditions while some very selfish, irrational, greedy, human beings call on others to be more austere. I wish I could laugh ... but I know of the suffering people experience now.  

 

Get off your "assterity" rants and start thinking critically!

Well it is unfortunate that the capitalist experiment has ended up with cronyism. But I'm sure that's not capitalism's fault and capitalism works... in theory anyway.
I think it's great.I really admire them for protesting.

Of course there are a lot of college students in the streets, that is what college students do.  Remember the anti-Viet Nam marches, or Civil Rights protestors, or L.A. riots, or Kent State murders, we can track the resistance movements through our nation's history ... Young people learn about freedom and justice growing up and at college age they begin to experience loss of freedom and injustice.  Protest!  Rebel! Oppose!  Confront!  It is the nature of the animal. 

 

I was part of the 1960s marches, I am too old and tired now to go any farther than my rocking chair. 

College students also have schedules that allow for it and normally, they don't have other people relying on them for care (ie children and older parents).  Also, older folks do protest, they just do it in different ways like letter writing.  Frankly, if seniors particularly weren't effective protesters, they'd have lost Medicare and Social Security a long time ago.  Also, on the weekends, many non college students are protesting.
I agree on both college students and seniors.  And yes, seniors can do things like gather information at the computer, relay the information to others who are able to be marching and protesting.  Seniors can also gather signatures and have an excellent history of that effort.
Bot only that, but communism, marxism, was developed pre democracy in europe. It doesnt have a strong system of checks and balances like the us republic, and quite simply the concept of "all or nothing"in terms of ownership for means of production, either communism or capitalism, is childish at best. Capitalism is equally flawed as communism. Answers are almost never found at the extremes- a good mix would be completely nationalized infrastructure (that including all necessary services) which would provide a built in safety net, and allowing a"free"market to develop around production of "luxury" items, or non essentials.

Thisgoes with out saying that a large part of the ussr's problem was an economy developed on military production and agriculture, combined with an economy controlled not representatively but by authoritarians, seeking to maintain power. Idk, when looking at the larger picture, our little "democracy" is just as fundamentally flawed as the communist experiments.....

I agree that the capitalism-vs-socialism, and either-or, paradigm will never again apply.  It's simplistic and we're not in the 20th century.  Every civilized and developed society has a balance of socialism and capitalism.

I think it's a matter of common sense: there are some things that should not be left to the markets to decide: I don't think the markets should decide if children can go to school, or if people get to eat or have health care.  Water, food, education, health care, are all things that are basic to human dignity and human civilization and they should be socialized.  This should be non-negotiable.

In Bolivia, when they tried to privatize water and the previous gov't sold ALL THE WATER IN THE COUNTRY to an American company, Bechtel, from San Francisco, the indigenous could not even gather rain water because it was illegal.  Children had to be put out of school because tuition was unaffordable, since so much money was needed to purchase water.  Retirees had to go back to work to purchase water.  Eventually, there were FOUR MONTHS OF RIOTS on the streets.  In the end, after deaths and violence, water was given back to the people, the people got scared of corporate appropriation and predation, the pendulum swung and Bolivia elected its first socialist and indigenous president ever, Evo Morales.

But this is an illustration of the extremes of American corporatocracy and its detrimental effects on the peoples of the world, not just on the U.S.

Leave computers, non-essentials, entertainment and the like to the free markets, that's acceptable.  But education, health care, water, food, are human rights and should be socialized, made public.

So many of us are hesitant to even mention socialism and communism or to imply that capitalism has flaws.  The basic design of capitalism is of boom and bust, it can't function any other way without regulations that produce a fair and even playing field.  People who have access to monetary wealth hire and fire workers from a field overrun with unemployed potential workers, and countries that allow slave labor and unsafe working conditions.  The spread between rich and poor grows until the general public makes demands.  Those who do demand equity get labels such as "Pinko", "Commie", "Socialist", "Rabble" or "Fear monger".  No reasonable person wants to have reputations such as these so they self-monitor their thinking ... until things become obviously out of balance.    Such as now.

Greg, thank you for the lead to Joan Robinson.  Her list of books and articles boggles the imagination.  

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