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Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on November 4, 2011 at 11:14am

Taxes are in the Constitution.

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on November 4, 2011 at 11:35am

You say that as if that prevents them from being unconstitutional.

Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on November 4, 2011 at 12:17pm

I guess your right.

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on November 4, 2011 at 12:29pm

Hmm?  I wasn't trying to be right.  Here I thought I was mocking the screwed up worldview of the neo-cons, in which anything they don't like must obviously be unconstitutional.

Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on November 4, 2011 at 12:59pm

Sorry, I was continuing your mocking.

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on November 4, 2011 at 1:06pm

Heh.  Okay, let's flip a coin.  Which of us was being oblivious?  :-D

Permalink Reply by Jason Edwin DeLeo on November 4, 2011 at 1:06pm

So Susan read my last post when it comes on how long do they take to post anyway?

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on November 4, 2011 at 1:08pm

Pretty much instantaneous.  By the time the 'Reply added' (or whatever it is) message appears in your browser, the board is updated for everyone else.

 

It can take a few seconds for the notice to reach your inbox, though.  Depends how the exchange servers are running.  I've seen messages that other people post, on a message thread that I refreshed, before the notice hits my inbox.

Mind you, we're talking a matter of seconds, in the single digits, here.

Permalink Reply by Shane Starr on November 4, 2011 at 11:56am

Taxes are in the constitution but income taxes were added to the constitution sometime after 1900 (I forget the exact ammendment). Sales tax has always been accepted and I dont have a problem with sales tax so much as I do income tax since sales tax is more voluntary in nature (spend less pay less taxes). I dont think anyone has a problem with paying taxes as much as people have a problem with paying excessive taxes which violate one of the fundamental rights garanteed to us, namely the right to property. Because they violate this right income taxes are unconstitutional even though they were added to the constitution.

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on November 4, 2011 at 12:25pm

(spend less pay less taxes)

How does that differ from "Make less money: pay less in taxes?"

Permalink Reply by Shane Starr on November 4, 2011 at 12:38pm

In practicallity not much I will grant you that, but its changes it from a compulsory system to voluntary which is generally easier to stomach and also allows for better accountability since you government "bill" is at the end of every receipt istead of being hidden from view. Also say I made $100,000 next year but only spent $40,000 of that I would not be forced into paying taxes on the money I saved which would enable me to recieve more interest if I placed it in an interest bearing account ect.

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on November 4, 2011 at 12:46pm

The general problem I have is demonstrated right in your example.  Sales taxes are, by their very nature, regressive.  Someone making only $40,000 a year would end up paying a much greater percentage of their income, in taxes.

 

Taxation should be taken out of discretionary money, not that used for buying the bare necessities.  Income tax brackets, plus a few basic deductions (children) allow for this sort of differentiation, in general.

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