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Permalink Reply by mike larson on June 5, 2011 at 7:07pm

Well, to the stupid, low self-esteem, sheeple of the world.. yes. That also explains the large numbers in the various religions not just Islam. Good news intelligent free thinkers see women as more than sex objects. Bad news we are the minority.
Sexual oppression is a staple of most religions, that's just one reason why we are all on Atheist Nexus.

Permalink Reply by Dustin Williams on June 5, 2011 at 9:18pm

From reading Dan Savage's column and listening to his podcast, it seems pretty obvious that not all men like submissive women. There are guys who don't like women and there are also guys who like dominate women.

I think it's safe to say that most men want some kind of balance, both in bed and in the rest of their lives. I know I sure wouldn't want to be in a relationship with woman who is little more than a mindless drone.

Of course religion has a way of making people ashamed of what they really want, so they go overboard with going for what they think they should want. 

Permalink Reply by TByte on June 5, 2011 at 11:36pm

Some men seek women they can dominate. Some women seek men who will dominate them.
Thankfully, not everyone falls into one of these two categories. Personally, I believe both these preferences are the result of low self-esteem.

Permalink Reply by TByte on June 5, 2011 at 11:43pm

But I also have to say, Sandy, that your post if pretty offensive.  I don't feel that I should have to be put into the position of defending my gender.  I'm sure you would be offended if I posted an article about gold-digging women with a comment such as "Just wondering, but is sponging off of men the only thing that women want and keeps societies afloat"?  Gross gender generalizations and exaggeration of stereotypes are divisive, demeaning, and intellectually shallow regardless of their target.

Permalink Reply by Meddlesome on June 6, 2011 at 3:24am

Er, i think sandy was making an enquiry, not positing that opinion.

M.

Permalink Reply by Sandy on June 6, 2011 at 4:43am

Actually, TByte, I was being sarcastic about the absurd belief that all social ills can be fixed by keeping men happy in bed, and that the only thing that makes a man happy in bed is a submissive woman. Both are patently untrue.

Sorry if I wasn't plain enough.

Permalink Reply by TByte on June 6, 2011 at 7:00am

No, you weren't plain enough at all.  In fact, I just don't see a single word in your post that indicates any level of sarcasm.  And you were successful in getting two other chivalrous gentlemen to reply, pleading the case that we, as a gender, are not all low-browed brutes.

The amount of man-bashing that occurs on this forum, both outright and passive-aggressive,  is truly disturbing.  The men on this site are infinitely more respectful towards their opposite gender.

Permalink Reply by Sandy on June 6, 2011 at 7:31am

Really TByte, the whole proposition - women's lack of submission = dissatisfied men = a plethora of social ills - is so patently absurd that I think it should be obvious I was not being serious. I really don't feel I should have to spell everything out -- it's also up to you to read things in context. Given the nature of this forum, you can safely assume I'm an atheist and that I don't think much of Islamic principles, so is it LIKELY that I'd be giving credence to that sort of simplistic patriarchal bullshit? Give me some credit.

And if you read any of my posts, I think you'll find I'm not into man-bashing. I agree, the level of disrespect I've seen coming from some women is disturbing, but that doesn't justify you in tarring us all with the same brush and jumping to conclusions. I, too, dislike being stereotyped.

Permalink Reply by Susan Stanko on June 6, 2011 at 9:22am

You might want to learn Sandy's posting style before going off on her.  She uses sarcasm a lot.

Permalink Reply by Dustin Williams on June 6, 2011 at 10:36am

@TByte I was not "pleading the case that we, as a gender, are not all low-browed brutes." I may have demonstrated it, but that should go with out saying. What I was pointing out was the fact that even with their goal being to make men happy, making women overly submissive won't work for all men.

@Sandy I picked up on the sarcasm and thought it was well done.

Permalink Reply by dr kellie on June 6, 2011 at 2:23pm

I agree. Also, TByte is a jackass, and I don't know why any of you engage him.

Permalink Reply by Joseph P on June 6, 2011 at 6:01pm

He often has good points, even if I don't agree with him about some of his conclusions.  He's way the hell out afield, with this one, though.

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