So, a bunch of us were in the shop talking about football (of course) and the unfolding sexual abuse scandal at Penn State University. The situation apparently involves a long time assistant coach sexually abusing PRE-TEEN members of his youth football camp organization, in university facilities. Disgusting no matter how you look at it. It seems that the university failed to properly throw this sick individual (their friend) under the bus, for years. Now heads are rolling, as they should be.
All of us in the shop are agreeing that the right stuff is happening when our 'lead man' (or mustachioed neanderthal whose only skill is bitching about how hard he works, and drinking tequila every night) chimes in with this gem:
"Penn State, oh yeah. They was the first ones that started lettin' them gays live in the dorms together!" I actually said "What the hell does that have to do with anything?" He's like "Well that's how all them kind of bad thangs gets started." I say "They're not related." He says "Well, in my book, it's all the same. They're all doin' wrong and that's how it started!" I said "Being an adult homosexual or sexually abusing a ten year old are NOT the same. Not the same ball park, not even the same fucking universe!" Then our little party broke up.
Hope I still got a job. They already think I'm a communist. Funny, Because I'm the only veteran in there.
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Permalink Reply by Sentient Biped on November 10, 2011 at 10:07am You stood up for reason and right-thinking. Be careful. I got hounded out of my last workplace, but not because of my politics. I was the only veteran there, but that wasnt why either.
Permalink Reply by Spence12 on November 10, 2011 at 11:20am Your boss is not the only dumb-ass over this scandel. It's the country as a whole, to let this explode into a media frenzie.
To let all the religous leaders sweep there "little secrets" under rugs without a peep from our wonderful media, disgust me more!
When we can, we should tie this Penn St. issue with the catholic and other religous abuses.
Maybe, I say maybe, people might tie them together and see, there is no diffrence who commits this abusive crime.
Permalink Reply by Tenken on November 10, 2011 at 4:17pm I think your boss's remark is very interesting. If he truly believes homosexuality is immoral, what he's saying kind of makes sense. At what age it's acceptable for children to have sex and how much age discrepancy is allowed are cultural values, just like whether homosexuality is acceptable is a cultural value. (Even in the U.S., the age of consent has historically been as low as 7.) In this respect, homosexual and adult-child sex are equal, and I can see how he might see them that way.
Having said that, his reaction would appear to assume the sex was consensual, but I didn't see anything indicating one way or the other about consent, although I admittedly haven't heard that much about this (and most people wouldn't ask such a question anyway and would pretend it doesn't matter or just assume the worst). The other possibility is that your boss completely disregards whether the sex is consensual or not when other morals of his are violated, in which case the participants basically lose all humanity in his eyes, which is (IMO) shameful. There is a huge difference between consensual sex and non-consensual rape, and a reasonable judgment should take this into consideration.
So basically, instead of your boss being such an idiot that he can't see the difference between adult homosexual and adult-child sex, maybe we just haven't taken religious conservatives seriously when they claim to believe homosexuality is immoral. To them, if you're having gay sex, you might as well be raping your partner or having sex with a child (or murdering? or using "the lord's" name in vain?).
Permalink Reply by roland707 on November 10, 2011 at 10:51pm Hey Tenken. I, and most of our society, operate on the assumption that a ten year old is not equipped to give sexual consent. Even if they beg for it, the adult should be the adult and not allow it. I automatically deem that rape if they have sex. I feel that's our societal norm on the issue. My boss and coworkers all think the offender should have been beaten beyond recognition when caught in the act.
My boss was making the point that there is a general crumbling of moral values occurring at Penn State that started with some sort of gay rights deal. He's one of these people that always says things like "America's going to hell because they taking gawd out of everything!" He sincerely believes the Columbine shootings were directly caused by removal of prayer from public schools. I do think he (and lots of others around here) would believe like your last sentence. He is not even capable of understanding that a lot of serial child molesters are 'pillars of society'. Youth ministers, scout leaders, clergymen. Most of them are married with kids and maybe grandkids. Not 'flaming homos'.
But, in his mind we're the dumbasses for doing things like trying to stop prayers at ball games, and remove ten commandments from public buildings. 'Degenerates' like us dare god for punishment, and create an atmosphere of acceptance for child rapists. I guess that's the button he pushed on me. I don't encourage rapists! (Thanks for helping me realize why this bothered me so)
And fundies absolutely view homosexuality as immoral. "It's an ABOMINATION." They get fighting mad about that shit.
The funny thing about this righteous individual is the way HE acts. He lies a lot (Tall tales mostly), is drunk every day by 5pm, has had affairs on his wife, cheats on his taxes, steals, and is an awful racist and homophobe. I usually just say "consider the source" and dismiss his idiocy, but this one just hit me the wrong way.
Permalink Reply by Hillary M Bridges on November 23, 2011 at 12:20pm If I were in that situation it I probably would have reacted the same exact way. The logic of your boss and others I have encountered it mind boggling. It's like there on line between homosexuality and pedophilia. Which obviously is insane and aren't close to the same thing. so well played
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