"perfect! did you see my recent post on Wolf Blitzer interviewing an Atheist?
http://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/yes-wolf-blitzer-asked-the-wrong-person-if-she-thanked-the-lord
totally made my day!"
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Morally Depraved because I came out Atheist
Whenever I come out Atheist .. they assume I must have no ethics or morals whatsoever and that I am willing to do just about anything --- like lie, cheat and steal.
Anyone else have this happen to them?
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Permalink Reply by Shawn on -
I think we develop morals through interaction with society. We develop a moral code based on how we affect others. I don't think anyone needs an invisible sky daddy to tell them taking someones life is wrong.
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Permalink Reply by Steph S. on -
Yes, no one needs invisible father in the sky. And I agree that morals are learned by being in a society.
Respect and treat others well !
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I like to turn the tables right back around on em. I was was told by a friend told me "some of the worst atrocities in history were committed by atheists". So now I see she's trying to use a blanket statement to accuse all atheists of being immoral. Without pause I told her, "Well Timothy McVeigh was a Christian. Does that mean that you are going to kill people based on the fact you are a Christian as well?" She got real quiet.
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Permalink Reply by Steph S. on
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What a great reply Shawn! I'll have to try that next time. There are all sorts of Xtian atrocities I could cite as an example.
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Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on -
Shawn, quick thinking and well delivered. I have trouble remembering details to defend my perspective and would often end up looking the fool. I am not a logical type thinker and rely on my gut feeling and that is just too anemic for a good debate. I found help from:
Aronra The Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism -- Complete Series
The first video of this album is the entire set fiollowed by separate videos for each fallacy.
Also, Christopher Hitchens, oh dear, my computer locked up again. I can't get to the citation without erasing this note. Just look him up and you will find many articles, videos and books that help to make a logical argument. That won't make a difference with a believer, but it may give you more ideas. Good job!
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Permalink Reply by Steph S. on
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Wow thanks Joan for that great website link.
Thank you I enjoy all the ideas given here. I think It will help others reading the discussion as well.
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Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on
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My computer died after sending that message and I am on an old computer that has none of the bells and whistles of my MacBook. Let's see if this old computer can take the wear and tear until repairs are completed. This keyboard is awful.
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Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on
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My computer is back and working like a charm! and I am happy.
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Permalink Reply by Steph S. on
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Glad to see you happy Joan. Everything fixed!
I have a MacBook myself and I love it!
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Ethics and equity and the principles of justice do not change with the calendar.
David Herbert Lawrence
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Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on
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"Morally depraved because I came out atheist."
Bombarded with, what I perceive as insults, when people imply I have no ethics or morals if I am an atheist, or some other obnoxious statement, I have automatic questions I ask them, not to defend me, but to challenge them. Here are just a few examples:
Do you think god made earth for man or man made god?
Did god make color for human eyes or did human eyes evolve to see color?
If god created all things, why are we expected to praise him?
If Jesus could heal a blind man, why could he not prevent blindness?
If Jesus could cast out spells, why could he not prevent spells in the fist place?
Why does one have to pray, when all things are possible with god?
If god created man, why does man have to admit to being a sinner?
If god made humans sexual, why is sexuality so bad or evil?
If god created man sexual, why is sex denied priests and nuns?
If god created sexuality, why does he expect man to repress sensuality?
If god created man from dust, why did he create man to die?
If god created man to suffer, why did he create suffering?
Why does religion misrepresent origins of man and cosmos?
Why does god expect man to deny or delude himself about the age of the Earth?
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When faced with judgments and predictions of my burning in eternal fire, these questions reflect back to them questions of my own.
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