Libertarianism and Socialism

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Permalink Reply by Alice on December 10, 2011 at 10:20pm

Glen - good point re evolution - I think this sort of evolution is the taboo topic - totally not politically correct to discuss......  but I think that breaking taboos is what we need in order to progress in our knowledge and understanding.

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Permalink Reply by Glen Rosenberg on December 10, 2011 at 3:21pm

MCT,

That was rich. Justifiable self-esteem, ha? Maybe so.

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Permalink Reply by Alice on December 10, 2011 at 9:10pm

Andrew - when I was 18 I managed to get fruit picking work and factory work - but I lost the factory job, because the person I was relying on to get me there kept getting me there late - and the fruit picking work was just so hard and such little pay, and also seasonal.  Then I was unemployed for ages - I couldn't get work in cafes or restaurants because I had no prior experience and perhaps not large enough breasts!  I wasn't prepared to do topless waitressing - I was too shy for that - I ended up doing voluntary work as a dishwasher - but they used me for 2 weeks and then didn't take me on......  in the end I got on a government scheme that trained me in office skills and got a job straight away - on a wage lower than unemployment benefit - I then after 12 weeks got sacked - and did another governemnt funded course as a care worker/assistant nurse - I was then able to get two jobs working full and part time and was fine from them on.

So in my experience trying to get somewhere with no help would have left me dead - I was lucky to have someone to feed, cloth and shelter me and then the government funded training made all the difference between contributing and continuing to need ongoing support from others.

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Permalink Reply by Alice on December 10, 2011 at 9:29pm

MCT - who pays your wages?

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Permalink Reply by MCT on December 11, 2011 at 8:05am

A large university hospital. Partially funded by the state and partially funded privately.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Spicer on December 11, 2011 at 1:38pm

Dude, seriously? Your paycheck partially derives from taxes? That sort of makes you one of the plantation owners, doesn't it? Stunning hypocrisy much?

MCT, if you had the courage of your own convictions, you'd be in private practice, you wouldn't take Medicare or Medicaid patients, and you'd probably only accept gold or barter as payment. So basically, all this high-minded nonsense you're spouting amounts to whining about paying taxes. Gosh, that's so sad. Now I really feel sorry for your forced labor. I hope they feed you enough, at least.

I suppose in your defense, you're merely working within the system that exists. Of course, so are all the welfare patients you see in the ER. And I think we all agree that the system should be improved. Why you go to the extreme of wanting to completely junk the current system instead of fix it is beyond me, though. Particularly in favor of a highly theoretical system against which there is plenty of historical evidence. But hey, at least your soapbox is tax supported.

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Permalink Reply by Alice on December 11, 2011 at 11:29pm

MCT - that must be hard for you to be paid by the government, even if only in part...

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Permalink Reply by MCT on December 12, 2011 at 7:25am

Yeah, but it's only for another 5 months. Then I will be providing a service for a private company. This company, however will get a very large portion of their reimbursement from medicare. It can be no other way, for now, with ER, thanks to all the government intervention.

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Permalink Reply by VeganApe on December 12, 2011 at 4:56pm

Hope that goes well for you, well done...

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Permalink Reply by Alice on December 10, 2011 at 9:43pm

I saw a few documentaries on psychopaths - I'm not sure if this was the one that I saw - but it was on this website:

http://documentarystorm.com/psychopath/

The one I saw it turned out the one of the guys who was looking at brains was himself a psychopath and didn't know it - there are a few gene markers - and if you only have one of them, it's different to having all of them - also the brain of a psychopath is different - they apparently have trouble seeing emotion in faces and can't tell if someone is sad or not.  According to Sam Harris psychopathy effects 1% of our population.

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Permalink Reply by VeganApe on December 11, 2011 at 4:31am

I mentioned in another part, but in case you don't read it as its easy to get lost in this thread (I know I have)........Read  "snakes in suits"  good book on corporate psychopaths.

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Permalink Reply by Glen Rosenberg on December 10, 2011 at 10:17pm

Hey Alice,

In the libertarian utopia envisioned by MCT you would have had all of the freedom in the world to starve to death. You have no loved ones or friends to bail you out then you are free to die. And in this freedom you can have a last heartfelt thought and sentiment; at least MCT and his wealthy family have been extricated from the tyranny, theft and slavery of taxation.

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