I go to Detroit occasionally and even though it is less well off, there is still a sprawling suburbia with all the same shit. People get in touch with their representatives, complain about the fact that the companies they worked for have folded, because of the years of governmental intervention enabled corruption, and they can't get equal jobs easily or quickly. A person who made $22 an hour won't work 2 or 3 jobs paying $9 an hour because they don't want to, not because they can't.
A person who made $22 an hour won't work 2 or 3 jobs paying $9 an hour because they don't want to, not because they can't.
Can you back that up with evidence as it sounds like an emotional response of loathing and resentment on your behalf?
Check out my 23 hours ago response to Alice. I do not live anywhere special in the US. There are thousands and thousands of such places. Shit, my dad, swept hair, put asbestos in gloves and spray-painted speed limit signs to support his family while taking the bus when he could afford a piece of shit car. But, that's probably because of the great economy in the 1950's and not his self-reliance, right?
You do know your country is in its worst state economically ever right?
As in it could not possibly be any worse, it owes more money than it can even pay the interest on. I don't think you are comparing apples with apples when you compare current conditions to the 1950's as in the 1950's america had just financially indebted the entire world to it during world war 2.
I know the economy was better then in terms of debt. It just doesn't matter. He worked shit jobs that paid shit and saved. You can do that now. I'm just saying, I call bullshit on the no jobs thing. I see them everywhere. It's bullshit propaganda spit out by the politicians, media and pundits. Anyway, I don't think it is the job of the government to provide jobs.
You are in a period of total economic collapse, Fortuantely your industry would be one of the last to suffer. The Auto industry gone, The heavy industry manufacturing...gone, your last remaining decent petroleum sources...gone, your light industrial machinery manufacturing...gone. Some people are in so much debt from fat cat real-estate shonks that any amount of money they earned would just keep one more sheriff off the door step of the park they live in. I think you truly have no understanding of adversity. You are obviously very lucky and have had a great education along with a good family life, I don't think you understand what its like to be a person in any other position. What if you were beaten as a child, abused by drunken parents, not had clothes purchased for you to go to school, had your medical conditions ignored by both your parents and the state. All this and yet you manage to somehow get a job, buy a house and then it is all taken away from you because of corrupt bankers. You are now living on a park bench, no clothes for job interviews, you smell like crap and are hungry. I wonder how your own comments would sound then..........you are fortunate don't assume you know the depths of others misfortune....
It is not an appeal to emotion. You are straw manning me here. Because someone else like Glen Beck wants to whine and cry about nostalgia, that is not what I am talking about.
We are now continually, less and less, still reaping the benefits of a government based on individual rights, despite our ever increasing socialist tendencies, is all I'm saying. You came up with that feeling shit, likely because of some emotional response you have to my position.
Freedom and individual rights, the greatest good. Ok. But I think you mean to say freedom from the tyranny of the masses not freedom for the masses. You cannot be that educated and yet so naive to believe the shit you spout. Your hyper-sensitivity for infringement of your freedom and rights vs. disdain for the rest of humanity. So I think maybe you have a eugenic solution in mind. Your system is an abject failure based on the nature of man so you intend to change the species. Right?
BTW in an earlier post you were talking thoroughbreds to illustrate singularity vs. dependency. I know more than a little about thoroughbreds and great thoroughbreds develop under the tutelage of trainers. Bad trainers ruin potential champions. Perhaps you have heard of Seabiscuit.
I'm not sure if I have the right conversation in mind, but are you referring to the horse does not owe anything to the other horses argument? I don't get your point.
Right, masses of people should not have freedom or rights or any moral consideration. Only the individual should have freedom, rights and consideration as it pertains to government. People may associate in groups all they want, great, just not to influence government.
I do believe the shit I spout.
How can you say my system is an abject failure? It has never existed.
The species will eventually become extremely diversified, I think, and when we leave here or build new countries on water, we may accomplish a more moral society where people are free and value achievement and liberty instead of need and sacrifice.
"Have you ever completed a psycopathy test?.,.....I think there is a good chase you are a psychopath or at least a sociopath. Maybe also look into narcissistic personality disorder."
-OK, this should be apparent as nothing more than an emotional ad hominem attack, but just in case it is not clear, let me explain.
It is my job, to ascertain the the medical decision making capacity and autonomy of my patients in the emergency room as part of the informed consent for treatment process. I am being published this year in a medical ethics book on the subject as it pertains to altered mental status. They do not let just any psychopath evaluate and care for the brains and bodies of people coming in for emergency care at a large university level I trauma center. I have been given medical licenses by the states of Ohio, Illinois and Missouri. Sure, it is theoretically possible that they all missed that I am a raging serial killer, but I have made no delusional comments or shown evidence to that end. None of my claims about myself are exaggerated. I commit no serious crimes and I have not here demonstrated a propensity to do so. But, I do abhor the culture of sacrifice in the world. In other words, there is no reason to say that I am a psychopath or a sociopath, other than to insult out of frustration, immaturity and a lack of argument.
And as for suggesting that I have narcissistic personality disorder, let's know what we are talking first. One with a personality disorder has the problem of not being able to reflect on their personality traits and taper them to a situation. A person with narcissistic personality disorder, will ignore how they relate to other people, certainly not describe their rational egoism in a long explicit formal description of their morality. They have no reciprocity during conversations and this affects and causes problems in multiple areas of their life including work, family and play. This does not describe me. I do, however, have narcissistic personality traits, that I have the ability to control, mitigate and amend, such as grandiosity and a sense of superiority. I do not have others such as preoccupation with myself or an inflated sense of self-importance. Describing with confidence an explicit morality of rational self-interest is not the same a narcissism, it's not really even close.
MCT - what do you think it is then - why do your comments upset many? why do they appear to many as being lacking in empathy? I'm very curious.....
Pretty much all my theories on this matter lead me to thinking that there is something amiss with you....... but I accept that this is an emotional rather than rational assessment.
You must have had this before when expressing your views on such matters - what are your thoughts on the reactions you get?