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When passed, the new law will allow any individual, group, or private business to refuse to serve gay couples if “it would be contrary to their sincerely held religious beliefs.” Private employers can continue to fire gay employees on account of their sexuality. Stores may deny gay couples goods and services because they are gay. Hotels can eject gay couples or deny them entry in the first place. Businesses that provide public accommodations – movie theaters, restaurants – can turn away gay couples at the door.
 
And if a gay couple sues for discrimination, they won’t just lose; they’ll be forced to pay their opponent’s attorney’s fees. As I’ve noted before, anti-gay businesses might as well put out signs alerting gay people that their business isn’t welcome.

yes, this is happening in 21st century America.  legalized discrimination against a group of Americans, because....God hates fags?  i'm not gay, yet this has me hopping mad.  fucking motherfuckers don't even have the decency to be honest about what they're doing:

State Rep. Charles Macheers (R), one of the leading proponents of the bill, said the proposal would “prevent discrimination” and would put Kansas “on the right side of history.”

 

the right side of history?  the man is either a lying sack of shit or his brain is made up pudding.  

i'm having a hard time fathoming just how incredibly backwards this legislation is.  i can't believe that religion gets this much deference in allowing blatant, LEGALIZED discrimination.  if your religion requires you to discriminate against Americans for no other reason than you think your imaginary deity agrees with your bigotry you're not a religion - you're a hate group, and you should be treated as such.  

personally, i think that any lawmaker affiliated with this bill should be sent to prison, or at least removed from office.  

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I'm not gay and I agree with you. The thing is, this is some crap that this representative is pushing because he wants to appease the anti-gays and the religious right. I doubt it will pass, but if it does it opens up another door entirely. Let me explain.

The business owner gets paranoid over gays and he suspects everyone for no reason at all -- including people who are obviously not gay. The paranoid business owner throws them out, and the outraged and offended non-gay person sues. It's discrimination that borders on libel. Let's assume it was a big business luncheon and the suspected gay party is seen to grasp the hand of his client in both his hands and says "I beg you to re-consider." At this point the paranoid business owner steps in and the battle is on. Not only is the business owner wrong, (and can be proven wrong) he also has most likely cost this man a client, and this is a loss of income.

My make believe senario above will have suspected and thrown out people sueing, and the business owner will be paying their legal fees! So, what's my advice for gay people? Just don't hold hands or kiss in public.

it actually just passed the House by a wide margin, and it's expected to clear the Senate.  the Gov is pretty anti-gay.  so it looks like it's gonna pass.  

i have a feeling my friends at the ACLU and others will have some thoughts on this matter before it gets to the scenario you describe.  

I agree. Years ago when I was a fundy church person I heard all the crap about the ACLU. Everyone damned them. I just believed what I heard.

Years later my children ran away from their mother because they wanted to live in Texas with me. Stopped in Dallas by the cops, I ended up with custody of both my girls largely because of the efforts of the ACLU. Today I believe in just about everything they do.

wow, what a story.  i hope you're a member.  $300 gets you a lifetime membership.  

my Mom, who only recently became a right winger, was disappointed that i joined the ACLU because she thought they:

a.  were a union

b.  had read bogus email forwards about how the ACLU did all these awful things

i kindly explained that the word "union" in their case was the same as "association" or "organization" and that it really isn't a labor union, i promise.  

then i showed her how those email forwards were lying to her, with actual evidence, and wondered if she liked being lied to in order to get her to hate an organization that stands for CIVIL LIBERTIES, you know, FREEDOM!  

she hasn't mentioned the ACLU to me since.  

I see it today, but am not a member because I'm semi retired with only about $1118 from SS coming in. That means to make the rest of it up I really have to hustle.

oh then no worries.  take care of yourself Dennis.  

And straight people should not hold hands or kiss in public. It's gross.

I support the right of someone to refuse service to anyone they choose, provided that they aren't already bound by contract, or that by refusing that service they cause harm to an individual. So if a business wants to fire their gay workers and refuse gay customers I am 100% supporting that business' right. The market will correct these behaviors. It is not for us to police or legislate morality.

I also think that any person who would act in such a hateful, discriminatory, irrational, self-defeating manner deserves all the terrible repercussions they undoubtedly will get. As a resident of Kansas I can state that there are few places even here where a business would be so stupid as to unabashedly inflict such prejudices against any man or woman because those businesses know that even they homo-haters squirm inside when they witness oppression and bigotry.

i do not support that right.  i thought we cleared that up with the Civil Rights Amendment.  who'd have thought we'd need it not only to protect racial minorities but now sexual minorities?  no matter, they are Americans and deserve protection from discrimination same as african americans.  

We refuse the right to reserve service for anyone!

Wait! Did I say that right?

That includes people who look muslim in public. Snd misceginationists. The bible is clearly against that. Many christions are too. And Jews. A good christiancan refuse service to jews.

In almost all white communities none of those would hurt business, and the christian can sleep well at night knowing they hated who jesus hates.
kansas is mostly white, mostly christian, and mostly straight. And they voted those lawmakers into office, who are reflecting what they perceive their voters want. Discrimination wont hurt business, just people who are already hated.

I could be wrong. I didnt check Kansas demographics.

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