JESUS’ NATIVITY—Where Was Jesus Born? (And When?)

Psst. There’s something you should know about Christmas. The Christmas carols, we’re afraid, might have it wrong: Jesus, many New Testament scholars believe, was not born in Bethlehem but Nazareth.

Among scholars this view is no secret. But for some reason, the story is not often recounted outside the ivy-covered walls. Which is why we asked two experts to go public and explain both sides of the issue. We invited Steve Mason of Toronto’s York University to lay out the little-known but more widely accepted (there’s an oxymoron for you!) view that Jesus was born in Nazareth. Mason offers a fascinating lesson of the way scholars search for history in the biblical text in “O Little Town of ... Nazareth?”).

Jerome Murphy-O’Connor, of the École Biblique et Archéologique Française in Jerusalem, takes a different tack in “Bethlehem ... Of Course,” delving into the archaeological, extrabiblical and gospel evidence in support of the long-cherished Bethlehem tradition.

http://www.bib-arch.org/online-exclusives/nativity-01.asp

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Fascinating. I haven't read your link yet. Do you think the confusion may be connected to the [necessary] claim of Jesus being of the Davidic line?
Glen
Just to add more confusion hare a look at this:
There was another Bethlehem, Bethlehem of Galilee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem_of_Galilee
In reality,I don't think he ever existed.
Amen. I'm surprised that this post is in the atheist forum.
You are so right, he was a creation of Hellenized Judaism. He was the Jews' answer to the Greek Mystery religions, Mithraism and the rest. Do not waste your time trying to figure out where he was born, he never lived at all.

Read The Jesus Puzzle, it's extremely illuminating.
Even if there was a Jesus, which I strongly doubt (depending on what you mean by 'Jesus' and 'was'), would it really matter where he was born? Even to Christians? Isn't the fascination with mysticism and magical places one of the most dangerous aspects of religion?
It matters to Christians where he was born because there was a prophecy in Micah chapter 5 that the messiah would be born in Bethlehem. If they are going to claim their holy book is the "word of God", then it is problem when the prophecies are proven to be wrong. Of course, this is far from the only Bible prophecy that is inaccurate, but I digress.
I posted this in the "Winning Arguments!" group under the heading "When Was Jesus Born?"
http://atheistnexus.org/group/winningarguments/forum/topics/when-wa...


No matter what bible text a Christian may use to calculate the year of Christ's birth, you can instantly find three other biblical texts that contradict it:

Matthew (2:1) says Jesus was born while Herod was King of Judea and, since Herod ruled from 37BC to 4BC, it is clear that the Nativity occurred during this period. The experts who accept Matthew's story have guessed that perhaps Jesus was born in 6BC.

In Luke (2:2), however, we are told that Jesus was born at the time of the census when Quirinius was Governor of Syria - and the historical record shows that this occurred in 6AD.

But the same Luke also tells us (in Luke 3:1-23) that John started baptising in 29AD, “in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,” when Jesus was “about thirty” – which means that Jesus was born in about 1BC.

But when we turn to John 8:57 we discover that “The Jews said unto him (Jesus), Thou art not yet fifty years old.” It’s a fairly vague statement, but surely they’ve got to be talking about someone over forty (and probably closer to forty-five), in which case Jesus could have been born as early as 15BC.
Regarding JC's birthplace:

In the Hebrew Bible, a nazirite or nazarite, (in Hebrew: נזיר, nazir), refers to a Jew who took the ascetic vow described in Numbers 6:1-21. The term "nazirite" comes from the Hebrew word nazir meaning "consecrated" or "separated".[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazirite

It has been suggested that the gospellers were unfamiliar with Jewish affairs and when they heard that Jesus may have been a Nazarite, they incorrectly assumed that he had been born in Nazareth.

Some scolars have claimed that the town of Nazareth did not exist until centuries after jesus was supposed to have been born.

As for Bethlehem: It has been conjectured that the gospellers knew that the messiah would belong to the line of David and they invented the idea to he was born in Bethlehem - the City of David.


Me? I think the whole story is a complete myth, Jesus never existed!

Certainly, the New Testament Jesus never existed. He was reputed to have performed about 40 miracles - but if we ignore those obvious fairytales, what is left? Practically nothing...
Michael,
Here is another thing to ponder,
Now the bible claims that Mary and Joseph lived in Nazareth. It claims that Joseph had to travel to Bethelem for some census. Now that is a distance of 70 miles, about 7 days march as done by the Roman Legions consisting of fit men. Would Joseph be so cruel as to expect his 8 month pregnant wife to undertake such a journey? I think not.

The bible is bullshit.
Biblical Scholars -- was there ever a misnomer so great?
THE TRUE ORIGINS OF JESUS.
A man named Jeshua bar Josef may have lived, however by the time of the Council of Nicea 325CE there were so many bun fights by Church "Fathers" about what fables to cook up about him that Constantine I called the Councill of Nicea to sort out the problem and found a new church as the official religion of the Roman Empire. 318 Bishops. priests, deacons, sub-deacons, etc, all "Gibbering Idiots" attended. The names of 53 "Gods" were tabled for discussion. After balloting for one year and five months the list was down to a shor list of five. namely Caesar, Krishna, Mithra, Horus and Zeus.

Constantine was the ruling spirit at Nicea and untimately decided upon the new god for them: The Druid God Hesus, to please the Western Faction, and Krishna for the Eastern Faction. A vote was taken and it was with a majority show of hands that both divinities became one god - 161 to 157. (The one and only time democracy happened within the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church)

A new God was proclaimed and 'officially ratified by Constantine'. That purely political act of deifacation legall placed Hesus and Krishna among the Roman Gods as one individual composition. When the letter "J" was introduced into alphabets around the ninth century the linguist relic of the name because JESUS CHRIST.

As a side note, the proceedings of the Council of Nicea conveniently vanished.

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