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Permalink Reply by Meddlesome on August 28, 2009 at 5:53pm

Yeah, echoes of that feeling in my own life, Happy to do all the xtian things among fellow xtians, but not one to expose the faith to the outside world. Probably because i knew that it would get correctly ripped apart for being ridiculous !

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Permalink Reply by El Solo Lobo on August 28, 2009 at 6:48pm

Hey David. I was always embarrassed about it too, even though I believed it. I'm from Georgia.

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Permalink Reply by Goz on August 28, 2009 at 7:04pm

I didn't believe it...I was also embarrassed about it...The only exception was praying at the table..My brother and I would argue over who would get to do it..It seemed strangely important.I think if we'd been reciting Jingle Bells we'd have even fought over who's turn it would be to do that as well.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Johnson on August 28, 2009 at 9:08pm

I can definitely relate to those feelings. I was brought up fundy also, in an offshoot of mainstream presbyterian. One of the key factors to my own 'conversion' was remembering how I shyed away from proclaiming my belief, how I never prayed when I wasn't made to (and never felt that it was effective!), how I never enjoyed going to church. Deep down there must have been some real, skeptical mindset withing me. I can even see that I got it from my parents, ironically. I do have to say though, that if I could be so bold as to 'correct' you, it would be to say that it sounds like you really weren't brainwashed. It sounds as though you also had a skeptical mind during that time. Your distancing from the zeal and passion that accompanies a total release of free inquiry is a sign of that...at least from what I get from your discription. Ever helpful is the power of honest reflection. Thanks for sharing and forcing me to think as well.

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Permalink Reply by David on August 28, 2009 at 9:53pm

Dan:

Thanks for the reply. When I said "brainwashed", I was referring to the indoctrination (that starts at a very early age) that is so effective that one doesn't challenge anything that one is told. I look at the bible now and wonder how I could have read it without noticing the barbarity, contradictions, and downright primitivism contained in it. You don't have to read very far; Genesis 1 is so fatally flawed (light on day one and the sun on day four) and I didn't see it. "God said it, I believe it, that settles it" was a phrase emblazoned on the entrance of my grammar school".

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Permalink Reply by Dan Johnson on August 28, 2009 at 10:04pm

In that sense it makes perfect sense. I didn't do a lot of challenging either in my youth. Of course there were repercussions which no doubt discouraged it (in my case at least). Fortunately, there was an internal challenge to what I was being told.

Indeed, the old testament is filled with ghastly mistakes and horrors. Ironically the new testament fix is no better.

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Permalink Reply by Cameron Stevens on August 29, 2009 at 12:58am

I was fairly similar, to be honest. Pretty much unafraid to speak about my other opinions (including my political opinions if anyone asks!) but rarely did I speak about my faith, except during one brief period towards the end of my believing years (which only really ended this year).

To add to this, for a number of years, I had a feeling, or gut instinct that something "wasn't right". I suspect this may have had something to do with that.

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Permalink Reply by David on August 29, 2009 at 3:48pm

Bias seems to infect their every thought, and I don't mean just the obvious things like bias against gays, atheists, etc. Just thinking skewed toward belief instead of impartial judgement. Ken Ham (from Answers in Genesis) would unashamedly call this "god glasses". He doesn't realize just how transparently stupid this sounds to anyone with a with a working brain.

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